{"podcast":{"title":"Greymatter","slug":"greymatter","podcast_index_feed_id":929487,"rss_url":"https://feeds.megaphone.fm/GRL5808166404","website_url":"https://greylock.com/greymatter-podcast/","image_url":"https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/7466110c-c2b0-11ed-a515-f34cd95f7d7d/image/c66aab33af298eb14a583512094e59bf.png?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&max-w=3000&max-h=3000&fit=crop&auto=format,compress","author":"Greymatter by Greylock","episode_count":311,"summary":"How do tech startups go from idea…to iconic? Greymatter’s weekly podcast features interviews with VCs, founders, and tech visionaries on everything from AI, marketplaces, and cybersecurity as well as company-building strategies like growth, finding product-market-fit, and recruiting top talent. Founders and VCs offer candid accounts of success, failure, and adaptation. 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