{"podcast":{"title":"Getting Smart Podcast","slug":"getting-smart-podcast-3462","podcast_index_feed_id":3462,"rss_url":"https://gettingsmart.libsyn.com/rss","website_url":"https://gettingsmart.com","image_url":"https://static.libsyn.com/p/assets/d/7/9/8/d7989dbfed1f20cfd959afa2a1bf1c87/Podcast_Thumbnails_600x600_2500_x_2500_px.png","author":"Getting Smart","episode_count":500,"summary":"This podcast has over 500 episodes highlighting developing trends in K-12 education, postsecondary and lifelong learning. Each week, Getting Smart team members interview students, leading authors, experts and practitioners in research, tech, entrepreneurship and leadership to bring listeners innovative and actionable strategies in education leadership. Be sure to also check out GettingSmart.com to stay on the cutting edge of innovations in learning.","last_synced_at":"2026-06-17T16:20:44.864356+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/getting-smart-podcast-3462"},"episode":{"title":"How Do We Teach Conversation? | Liza Garonzik","slug":"how-do-we-teach-conversation-liza-garonzik","published_at":"2026-06-03T07:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/getting-smart-podcast-3462/how-do-we-teach-conversation-liza-garonzik","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/getting-smart-podcast-3462","url":"https://gettingsmart.libsyn.com/how-do-we-teach-conversation-liza-garonzik","audio_url":"https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/gettingsmart/Liza_Goronzik.mp3?dest-id=573092","summary":"In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Nate McClennen talks with Liza Garoznik, founder and CEO of Real Discussion, about one of the biggest questions in education today: how do we teach and assess durable skills like communication, listening, and collaboration? Framed by the rise of AI and growing concern about a \"conversation crisis,\" the discussion explores why authentic interaction must be developed alongside artificial intelligence. Liza shares the origin story behind Real Discussion, explains the REAL framework—Relate, Excerpt, Ask, Listen—and offers practical insight into how schools can embed conversation skills into core academics while also measuring student growth, belonging, and engagement. Outline (0:00) Introduction & Durable Skills Framework (3:40) Liza's Story & Real Discussion Origins (11:23) The Conversation Crisis & Authentic Interaction (21:36) The REAL Framework & Teaching Discussion Skills (26:22) Assessment & Measuring Student Growth (34:19) Practical Tools & Future of Real Discussion Links Watch the full blog here Watch the full video here LinkedIn R.E.A.L. Discussion Liza Garonzik on Teaching Tomorrow's Human Skills Grade Discussion Skills, Not Discussions","meta_description":"In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Nate McClennen talks with Liza Garoznik, founder and CEO of Real Discussion, about one of the biggest questi…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":2585,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/getting-smart-podcast-3462/episodes/how-do-we-teach-conversation-liza-garonzik/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/getting-smart-podcast-3462/how-do-we-teach-conversation-liza-garonzik.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}