{"podcast":{"title":"Future Learning Design Podcast","slug":"future-learning-design-podcast-2962232","podcast_index_feed_id":2962232,"rss_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/2b5499dc/podcast/rss","website_url":"https://www.goodimpactlabs.com/podcast","image_url":"https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_nologo/7169647/7169647-1725084156574-72a4b24e57367.jpg","author":"Tim Logan","episode_count":245,"summary":"We are stuck in an old paradigm, with institutional structures that were built for a world that no longer exists. Within education, passionate entrepreneurs & committed citizens are no longer waiting for these broken formal institutions to be reformed. All over the world, they're designing & building their own local responses with relationships at their core. These are the education ecosystems that our young people need and out of which new institutions will emerge. This podcast is an inquiry into these fundamental changes and an invitation to join the movement to help nurture positive change.","last_synced_at":"2026-07-19T22:20:50.236579+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/future-learning-design-podcast-2962232"},"episode":{"title":"Educating for Societal Design - A Conversation with Emily Harris and Martin Lorenz","slug":"educating-for-societal-design-a-conversation-with-emily-harris-and-martin-lorenz","published_at":"2026-05-09T22:01:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/future-learning-design-podcast-2962232/educating-for-societal-design-a-conversation-with-emily-harris-and-martin-lorenz","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/future-learning-design-podcast-2962232","url":"https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/futurelearningdesign/episodes/Educating-for-Societal-Design---A-Conversation-with-Emily-Harris-and-Martin-Lorenz-e3j4kqv","audio_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/2b5499dc/podcast/play/119738655/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-4-9%2F04e4eff5-4227-cb91-9b91-e01a460a50b4.mp3","summary":"There are lots of reasons why well-intentioned work, trying to do things differently and shift the way that systems currently operate, often struggle and fail. But one of the reasons that I find most interesting is to look at the "dark matter" or deep codes that are built into our current ways of working. These might be things like the way we do contracts, the way insurance functions, and legal precedents. Or the way that value is defined and accounted for, and the way money functions and flows. Most of the time these things are simply constraints that we are told we just have to deal with in our work. But as you might have heard in a previous episode with Indy Johar and Adam Purvis ( https://www.goodimpactlabs.com/podcast/indy-johar-and-adam-purvis ), organisations like Dark Matter Labs are not accepting this status quo and, in fact, are actively trying to work towards redesigning these deep codes. But then you might say: “Well that's fine for those kinds of organisations who get to do that work, but that's not something that I can get involved with.” My guests this week are colleagues of Adam and Indy at Dark Matter Labs, but they are taking it one stage further and asking the question, what does it mean to educate for building the capabilities and sensibilities for this kind of work. They are calling it “societal design” and in this conversation you'll hear them reflecting on the Masters programme that they are launching this September, in collaboration with Elisava Barcelona School of Design and Engineering. Applications are open until July 15th 2026. For further information about this and Emily and Martin’s other work, check out the links below. Martin and Emily’s ‘Anti-Brief’ website: https://anti-brief.org/ Further links about the Societal Design Maste…","meta_description":"There are lots of reasons why well-intentioned work, trying to do things differently and shift the way that systems currently operate, often struggle and…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":2943,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/future-learning-design-podcast-2962232/episodes/educating-for-societal-design-a-conversation-with-emily-harris-and-martin-lorenz/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/future-learning-design-podcast-2962232/educating-for-societal-design-a-conversation-with-emily-harris-and-martin-lorenz.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}