{"podcast":{"title":"For The Love With Jen Hatmaker Podcast","slug":"for-the-love-with-jen-hatmaker-podcast-830534","podcast_index_feed_id":830534,"rss_url":"https://feeds.megaphone.fm/for-the-love","website_url":null,"image_url":"https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/b14f81be-9458-11ee-8137-3b707bfe63c2/image/b7e4b9c2e99dc89c47b05e9991286274.png?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&max-w=3000&max-h=3000&fit=crop&auto=format,compress","author":"Jen Hatmaker","episode_count":597,"summary":"New York Times bestselling author Jen Hatmaker and her longtime friend, Amy Hardin, have arrived in the middle years — and they couldn’t be happier about it. Each has navigated the ins and outs of life — from careers, to parenting, marriage (and, for Jen, divorce), spiritual evolution, and the joys of being hardcore Gen Xers. With each weekly episode, Jen and Amy serve as our “everywoman” guides to all the seasons — past, present, and future — as they walk excitedly and tenaciously into the second half of life. While Jen and Amy have plenty of wisdom to share — and some pretty hilarious stories, too — they don’t claim to know it all. That's why they invite some of the most interesting and accomplished guests to the podcast, bringing insight, expertise, and understanding to the most relevant topics of our time. From Jen and Amy’s compelling conversations with guests to their witty banter (and the occasional eye-rolls at the absurdities of life), they’re here reassure you that you’re not alone in this game of life. It’s “For the Love” of all that is good, justified, exasperating, exhilarating, real, fun — and so much more.","last_synced_at":null,"page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/for-the-love-with-jen-hatmaker-podcast-830534"},"episode":{"title":"[ENCORE] Wonder in the Wilderness: David Gate on Poetry, Care, and Staying Tender in a Harsh World","slug":"encore-wonder-in-the-wilderness-david-gate-on-poetry-care-and-staying-tender-in-a-harsh-world","published_at":"2026-03-20T07:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/for-the-love-with-jen-hatmaker-podcast-830534/encore-wonder-in-the-wilderness-david-gate-on-poetry-care-and-staying-tender-in-a-harsh-world","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/for-the-love-with-jen-hatmaker-podcast-830534","url":"https://jenhatmaker.com/podcast/","audio_url":"https://pdst.fm/e/tracking.swap.fm/track/v9Uiw3bGr54f6BVZKSyc/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/CAD6577484241.mp3?updated=1773983130","summary":"Description:Sometimes a conversation lands so gently—and so powerfully—that it deserves another moment in the light. In this encore episode, Jen revisits her conversation with poet, writer, and visual artist David Gate, whose work explores themes of care, community, and spiritual resilience. Jen first discovered David the way so many of us discover the words that change us: late at night on Instagram, stumbling across a poem that made her stop mid-scroll and immediately send it to six friends. That was the beginning of a quiet fandom that eventually turned into this conversation—one that felt less like an interview and more like sitting in the presence of someone who has learned how to notice beauty in hard places. David’s work—including his collection A Rebellion of Care—is rooted in the radical idea that tenderness, attention, and compassion are not small acts. They are resistance. They are survival. They are a way through the wilderness. Together, Jen and David explore the ways language can become a lifeline during difficult seasons. They talk about the courage of softness in a harsh world, the sacred practice of paying attention, and how poetry can give us words for things we thought we had to carry alone. This conversation sits right at the intersection: the wilderness of grief, uncertainty, and fatigue—and the wonder that still insists on growing in the cracks. Thought-provoking Quotes: “I did not want to have an email job and I did not want to be in meetings that could have been emails. I did not want to be on Slack. I just didn't want that to be what I was spending my time doing. I loved caring for people, and I loved creating and writing, and I got to do that within the church world.” – David Gate “It’s a constant battle to speak the truth. Even things we all…","meta_description":"Description:Sometimes a conversation lands so gently—and so powerfully—that it deserves another moment in the light. 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