{"podcast":{"title":"For Humanity: An AI Risk Podcast","slug":"for-humanity-an-ai-risk-podcast-6669100","podcast_index_feed_id":6669100,"rss_url":"https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/5979336/s/261561.rss","website_url":"https://theairisknetwork.substack.com/s/for-humanity-an-ai-risk-podcast","image_url":"https://substackcdn.com/feed/podcast/5979336/s/261561/54666450f7ec2d2c5e41bf6e2b3f9036.jpg","author":"The AI Risk Network","episode_count":125,"summary":"For Humanity, An AI Safety Podcast is the the AI Safety Podcast for regular people. Peabody, duPont-Columbia and multi-Emmy Award-winning former journalist John Sherman explores the shocking worst-case scenario of artificial intelligence: human extinction. The makers of AI openly admit it their work could kill all humans, in as soon as 2-10 years. This podcast is solely about the threat of human extinction from AGI. We’ll name and meet the heroes and villains, explore the issues and ideas, and what you can do to help save humanity.","last_synced_at":"2026-06-14T14:18:16.201317+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/for-humanity-an-ai-risk-podcast-6669100"},"episode":{"title":"The fear inside the AI labs is real, and it keeps getting harder to ignore","slug":"the-fear-inside-the-ai-labs-is-real-and-it-keeps-getting-harder-to-ignore","published_at":"2026-06-13T14:38:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/for-humanity-an-ai-risk-podcast-6669100/the-fear-inside-the-ai-labs-is-real-and-it-keeps-getting-harder-to-ignore","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/for-humanity-an-ai-risk-podcast-6669100","url":"https://theairisknetwork.substack.com/p/the-fear-inside-the-ai-labs-is-real","audio_url":"https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/201850953/de932ed9e8f1e27f9a62e5b365831a81.mp3","summary":"There is a specific kind of unease that comes from watching your own job change faster than you can explain it. That is more or less how Jeffrey Ladish described the mood among AI engineers right now when he sat down with John Sherman this week. Ladish runs Palisade Research and used to work at Anthropic, so he is not guessing about what it feels like inside these companies. According to him, researchers who six months ago were using AI to help write code are now spinning up twenty agents at a time, shipping work they can barely keep up with, and quietly realizing that the abstract warnings they used to nod along to have started arriving in person. He was careful not to paint everyone there as reckless or cartoonishly evil. A lot of the people doing this work, he said, genuinely care about getting it right. The problem is the machine they are inside of. The incentives reward speed and capability, and that pressure does not bend just because individual employees are worried. Ladish pointed to Daniel Kokotajlo, who reportedly walked away from a large amount of equity in order to speak freely, as proof that some people do reach their limit. Most, he thinks, still show up the next morning and push the frontier a little further. Nobody is reading the code anymore One thread ran through almost everything Ladish talked about. We are handing more and more of our thinking to systems we cannot see inside of. The interpretability problem is old news at this point. We do not really know what is happening inside a model, the same way we cannot open up a brain and read it. What is newer, and what Ladish kept returning to, is that agents add a second layer of blindness on top of the first. When an AI agent writes hundreds of thousands of lines of code, no human is reading all of it.…","meta_description":"There is a specific kind of unease that comes from watching your own job change faster than you can explain it. That is more or less how Jeffrey Ladish de…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":4350,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/for-humanity-an-ai-risk-podcast-6669100/episodes/the-fear-inside-the-ai-labs-is-real-and-it-keeps-getting-harder-to-ignore/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/for-humanity-an-ai-risk-podcast-6669100/the-fear-inside-the-ai-labs-is-real-and-it-keeps-getting-harder-to-ignore.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}