{"podcast":{"title":"Epicenter - Learn about Crypto, Blockchain, Ethereum, Bitcoin and Distributed Technologies","slug":"epicenter-learn-about-crypto-blockchain-ethereum-bitcoin-and-distributed-technologies-918755","podcast_index_feed_id":918755,"rss_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/10901e500/podcast/rss","website_url":"https://epicenter.tv","image_url":"https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_nologo/44360864/0371a674fc039595.jpg","author":"Epicenter Media Ltd.","episode_count":671,"summary":"Epicenter brings you in-depth conversations about the technical, economic and social implications of cryptocurrencies and blockchain technologies. Every week, we interview business leaders, engineers academics and entrepreneurs, and bring you a diverse spectrum of opinions and points of view. Epicenter is hosted by Sebastien Couture, Brian Fabian Crain, Friederike Ernst, Meher Roy and Felix Lutsch. Since 2014, our episodes have been downloaded over 8 million times.","last_synced_at":"2026-07-03T20:19:20.862625+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/epicenter-learn-about-crypto-blockchain-ethereum-bitcoin-and-distributed-technologies-918755"},"episode":{"title":"Solving The AI Black Box: ZK-Proofs in Defence Tech","slug":"solving-the-ai-black-box-zk-proofs-in-defence-tech","published_at":"2025-12-26T21:57:33+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/epicenter-learn-about-crypto-blockchain-ethereum-bitcoin-and-distributed-technologies-918755/solving-the-ai-black-box-zk-proofs-in-defence-tech","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/epicenter-learn-about-crypto-blockchain-ethereum-bitcoin-and-distributed-technologies-918755","url":"https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/epicenterpodcast/episodes/Solving-The-AI-Black-Box-ZK-Proofs-in-Defence-Tech-e3cq7q0","audio_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/10901e500/podcast/play/113106176/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2025-11-25%2F414990207-44100-2-c5f63f3225df2.mp3","summary":"In this episode, host Sebastian Couture is joined by Ismael Hishon-Rezaizadeh, CEO of Lagrange, to explore the intersection of frontier cryptography and national security. Ismael discusses the transition of zero-knowledge (ZK) technology from a \"token-centric\" crypto tool to a vital component of defense, specifically focusing on its role in securing autonomous drone swarms and closing the hypersonic missile gap. They delve into Deep Proof, Lagrange's ZK-machine learning library, which facilitates verifiable AI execution while protecting sensitive model intellectual property and private input data. Ismael introduces the concept of \"Accountable Autonomy,\" arguing that cryptographic proofs are necessary to ensure that lethal \"kill chain\" decisions are made by the correct models under verified inputs, removing the risks inherent in \"black box\" AI decision-making. Finally, the conversation touches on the geopolitical competition with China, the importance of domestic chip manufacturing, and why the US market's ability to align private sector innovation with military needs is a decisive strategic advantage. Topics 00:00 Intro & Context 04:15 ZKML vs. Venice 09:30 Protecting Model IP 15:00 Dual-Use Defense Pivot 21:45 The Palantir Comparison 27:10 US-China Chip Race 35:20 Drone Swarm Consensus 42:15 Accountable Autonomy Explained 49:00 Kill Chain Verifiability 55:30 EU vs. US Defense Links Ismael on X: https://x.com/Ismael_H_R Lagrange Labs: https://www.lagrange.dev/ Anduril Industries: https://www.anduril.com/ Gnosis: https://gnosis.io/ Sponsors: Gnosis: Gnosis has been building core decentralized infrastructure for the Ethereum ecosystem since 2015. With the launch of Gnosis Pay last year, we introduced the world's first Decentralized Payment Network. Start leveraging i…","meta_description":"In this episode, host Sebastian Couture is joined by Ismael Hishon-Rezaizadeh, CEO of Lagrange, to explore the intersection of frontier cryptography and n…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3337,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/epicenter-learn-about-crypto-blockchain-ethereum-bitcoin-and-distributed-technologies-918755/episodes/solving-the-ai-black-box-zk-proofs-in-defence-tech/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/epicenter-learn-about-crypto-blockchain-ethereum-bitcoin-and-distributed-technologies-918755/solving-the-ai-black-box-zk-proofs-in-defence-tech.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}