{"podcast":{"title":"Driven by Data: The Podcast","slug":"driven-by-data-the-podcast-1318403","podcast_index_feed_id":1318403,"rss_url":"https://feeds.captivate.fm/driven-by-data-the-podcast/","website_url":"https://driven-by-data-the-podcast.captivate.fm","image_url":"https://artwork.captivate.fm/841332bb-a067-4ec9-8cca-fa44299411de/cGy813h_N70ArSNWpGbK4-Qq.jpg","author":"Orbition Group","episode_count":200,"summary":"Orbition Group is delighted to bring you this podcast series, which is designed for Data Enthusiasts, to hear from some of the most high-profile Data, Analytics and AI thought leaders from around the globe. Each episode will detail the guests journey to the top while bringing unique insights, drawn from first-hand experience on the industry’s most trending topics. This podcast was created as a way for our industry's most respected leadership figures from across the world to give back to the Data & Analytics community, by sharing; knowledge, experiences and ideas, to inspire, innovate and provide real-life use cases on the industries most pressing topics/challenges.","last_synced_at":null,"page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/driven-by-data-the-podcast-1318403"},"episode":{"title":"S7 | Ep 2 | Are we Splitting the CDAO Role in Two with Barry Panayi, Group Chief Data Officer at Howden","slug":"s7-ep-2-are-we-splitting-the-cdao-role-in-two-with-barry-panayi-group-chief-data-officer-at-howden","published_at":"2026-04-14T05:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/driven-by-data-the-podcast-1318403/s7-ep-2-are-we-splitting-the-cdao-role-in-two-with-barry-panayi-group-chief-data-officer-at-howden","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/driven-by-data-the-podcast-1318403","url":"https://driven-by-data-the-podcast.captivate.fm/episode/s7-ep-2-barry-p","audio_url":"https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/83ea0691-be95-4201-b534-c36711cf2b29.mp3","summary":"In Episode 2, of Season 7 of Driven by Data: The Podcast, Kyle Winterbottom was re-joined (over 2.5 years on) by Barry Panayi, Group Chief Data Officer at Howden, where they discuss, how the CDAO role continues to evolve and whether accountability is being diluted, which includes; Why the CDAO role is splitting between commercial outcomes and BAU leadership Why the biggest trade-off today is speed vs sustainable value A pragmatic view on AI ownership: enterprise enablement vs bespoke build The risk of over-indexing on ROI and neglecting foundational data capability The danger of the CDAO role being watered down Why many organisations still hire CDAOs for the wrong mandate How culture and incentives shape whether data leaders can succeed How AI is making value measurement easier than traditional data work Why proving quick wins can sometimes slow long-term progress Why CDAO–CTO chemistry now matters more than job titles The leadership lesson: make the least bad decision with conviction Why Barry wrote The AI of the Beholder as a leadership decision simulator The reality that there is rarely one “right” leadership choice Why future board opportunities for CDAOs require broader leadership breadth What boards actually value from ex-CDAO leaders in NED roles","meta_description":"In Episode 2, of Season 7 of Driven by Data: The Podcast, Kyle Winterbottom was re-joined (over 2.5 years on) by Barry Panayi, Group Chief Data Officer at…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3494,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/driven-by-data-the-podcast-1318403/episodes/s7-ep-2-are-we-splitting-the-cdao-role-in-two-with-barry-panayi-group-chief-data-officer-at-howden/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/driven-by-data-the-podcast-1318403/s7-ep-2-are-we-splitting-the-cdao-role-in-two-with-barry-panayi-group-chief-data-officer-at-howden.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}