{"podcast":{"title":"Does the Bible say THAT?!?","slug":"does-the-bible-say-that-6622015","podcast_index_feed_id":6622015,"rss_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/e6ea7bd0/podcast/rss","website_url":"https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/david-lester1","image_url":"https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_nologo/38641268/38641268-1693459155887-b9c7297a26f58.jpg","author":"David Lester","episode_count":55,"summary":"All about the Bible. This podcast walks through the books of the Bible talking about what the sacred text says and means (as best as we can tell). This is an inclusive show for anyone, regardless of belief or non-belief, wanting to learn more about the Bible.","last_synced_at":"2026-06-09T18:21:35.795186+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/does-the-bible-say-that-6622015"},"episode":{"title":"027: The Haunted Dream of Abram: Laura Pugh (Genesis 15:12-21)","slug":"027-the-haunted-dream-of-abram-laura-pugh-genesis-15-12-21","published_at":"2025-10-28T08:19:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/does-the-bible-say-that-6622015/027-the-haunted-dream-of-abram-laura-pugh-genesis-15-12-21","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/does-the-bible-say-that-6622015","url":"https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/david-lester1/episodes/027-The-Haunted-Dream-of-Abram-Laura-Pugh-Genesis-1512-21-e3a4uj9","audio_url":"https://anchor.fm/s/e6ea7bd0/podcast/play/110311465/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2025-9-28%2Fd55186a3-d0ab-15f0-f881-093e3142131e.mp3","summary":"Host Dave Lester and his friend Mike Mason are joined by Laura Pugh- a wife, a mother, a teacher and an advocate for the least of these- to talk about Genesis 15:12-21. The first half of Genesis 15 involved a beautiful vision of Abram's descendants being as numerous as the night time sky. Now comes a disturbing prophetic dream of Abram's descendants being enslaved in Egypt for 400 years. On this episode, we talk slavery, the problem of suffering, views of the afterlife, ancestors and more. Sources for this episode: *The NIV Application Commentary: Genesis by Dr. John Walton *Word Biblical Commentary: Genesis 1-15 by Gordon J. Wenham *The JPS Torah Commentary by Dr. Nahum Sarna *Heaven and Hell: A History of the Afterlife by Bart Ehrman *"Who Were the Kenites in the Bible?" Biblehub.com. https://biblehub.com/q/who_were_the_kenites_in_the_bible.htm *"Kenizzites" Biblehub.com. https://biblehub.com/topical/k/kenizzites.htm *"Kadmonites" Biblehub.com. https://biblehub.com/topical/k/kadmonites.htm *Hittites" Biblehub.com. https://biblehub.com/topical/naves/h/hittites--the_descendants_of_heth.htm *"Who Were the Rephaites?" Gotquestions.org. https://www.gotquestions.org/Rephaim.html *"Amorites" wikipedia.org. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amorites *"Who Were the Canaanites and Why Did God Order Their Destruction?" by Mike Leake. biblestudytools.com. https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-study/topical-studies/who-were-the-canaanites-and-why-did-god-order-their-destruction.html *"Who Were the Girgashites in the Bible?" biblehub.com. https://biblehub.com/q/who_were_the_girgashites_in_the_bible.htm *"Who Were the Jebusites in the Bible?" biblehub.com. https://biblehub.com/q/who_were_the_jebusites_…","meta_description":"Host Dave Lester and his friend Mike Mason are joined by Laura Pugh- a wife, a mother, a teacher and an advocate for the least of these- to talk about Gen…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":4806,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/does-the-bible-say-that-6622015/episodes/027-the-haunted-dream-of-abram-laura-pugh-genesis-15-12-21/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/does-the-bible-say-that-6622015/027-the-haunted-dream-of-abram-laura-pugh-genesis-15-12-21.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}