{"podcast":{"title":"Disorder","slug":"disorder-6608099","podcast_index_feed_id":6608099,"rss_url":"https://feeds.megaphone.fm/disorder","website_url":"https://disordershow.com/","image_url":"https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/266777a6-4d7b-11ee-9675-d7de9b1d81e5/image/5a84a736c635a907d8a254ce114c54b3.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&max-w=3000&max-h=3000&fit=crop&auto=format,compress","author":"Global Enduring Disorder Ltd","episode_count":198,"summary":"Are you fed up with the never ending crises in the news? Are you looking for Order amidst the Disorder? Listen to the Disorder Podcast as we offer forward thinking solutions to the biggest challenges of the day. We are living through an age of unrivaled disorder: an out-of-control Trump Administration, never ending scandals, escalating threats from China, Iran, and Russia, and the rapid march of destabilizing tech. The “good guys” - rules-based ordering centrists - are on the back foot, while neo-populist strongmen gain ground by fuelling more and more chaos. But there are ways out of this mess. Join us as we Order the Disorder. Each week, host Jason Pack, co-hosts Jane Kinnimont and Mark Lobel, world-leading experts, senior diplomats and cultural icons, present their solutions to problems like: why are centrists losing and populist strongmen winning? How do we save our democracies? How do we deal with threats from Disorderers like Iran and Russia? And how do we build multilateral coalitions that work, how can we regulate AI, defend Ukraine, and fight climate change? All in a world without American leadership? Disorder is the go-to podcast for anyone who wants intelligent, thought…","last_synced_at":"2026-06-16T12:21:10.106481+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/disorder-6608099"},"episode":{"title":"Ep 183. Trump Visits China, the world order is broken - With Leslie Vinjamuri","slug":"ep-183-trump-visits-china-the-world-order-is-broken-with-leslie-vinjamuri","published_at":"2026-05-19T01:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/disorder-6608099/ep-183-trump-visits-china-the-world-order-is-broken-with-leslie-vinjamuri","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/disorder-6608099","url":"https://pdst.fm/e/tracking.swap.fm/track/2IMk17EdnEqyRhJTIpIU/traffic.megaphone.fm/FPMN9187284227.mp3","audio_url":"https://pdst.fm/e/tracking.swap.fm/track/2IMk17EdnEqyRhJTIpIU/traffic.megaphone.fm/FPMN9187284227.mp3","summary":"This week on Disorder, in a slight break from the Mayhem in the UK over the possible Leadership challenge to Starmer, Jane catches up with the President and CEO of the Chicago Council on Global Affairs and host of the Deep Dish podcast, Leslie Vinjamuri. Leslie and Jane used to work together at Chatham House. They start by discussing Leslie’s final project for Chatham House where she worked with a host of experts to analyse how rising powers, middle powers and US adversaries see the international order as well as new possible ideas of global Order. Surprise, surprise mega-orderers, the conversation proves the depressing result that we already know! -- i.e. that there are no serious alternative visions of order that are emerging and no non-neo-populists are putting forth compressive visions of global order. Will the continuance of the Enduring Disorder therefore be the hallmark of our times? Probably yes :-< On a brighter note, Leslie thinks the US will revert to a more “normal” politics in Trump’s wake. Jane is not so sure: she and Leslie discuss why the UK hasn’t been able to “get back to normal” under Keir Starmer and how the breakdown of the political centre is making it harder and harder to address the long-term economic issues that underpin Britain’s current malaise. This week we also delve into Trump’s trip to China; the role of Europeans in enabling China, and how different camps in Washington are looking at the China trip - with think-tankers pretty skeptical that it will make any difference, while business leaders are eager to join the trip to what is, after all, the world’s second biggest market for most of them. No matter what happens there we must ask is Europe working with or against the US’s China policy? 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