{"podcast":{"title":"Disorder","slug":"disorder-6608099","podcast_index_feed_id":6608099,"rss_url":"https://feeds.megaphone.fm/disorder","website_url":"https://disordershow.com/","image_url":"https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/266777a6-4d7b-11ee-9675-d7de9b1d81e5/image/5a84a736c635a907d8a254ce114c54b3.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&max-w=3000&max-h=3000&fit=crop&auto=format,compress","author":"Global Enduring Disorder Ltd","episode_count":198,"summary":"Are you fed up with the never ending crises in the news? Are you looking for Order amidst the Disorder? Listen to the Disorder Podcast as we offer forward thinking solutions to the biggest challenges of the day. We are living through an age of unrivaled disorder: an out-of-control Trump Administration, never ending scandals, escalating threats from China, Iran, and Russia, and the rapid march of destabilizing tech. The “good guys” - rules-based ordering centrists - are on the back foot, while neo-populist strongmen gain ground by fuelling more and more chaos. But there are ways out of this mess. Join us as we Order the Disorder. Each week, host Jason Pack, co-hosts Jane Kinnimont and Mark Lobel, world-leading experts, senior diplomats and cultural icons, present their solutions to problems like: why are centrists losing and populist strongmen winning? How do we save our democracies? How do we deal with threats from Disorderers like Iran and Russia? And how do we build multilateral coalitions that work, how can we regulate AI, defend Ukraine, and fight climate change? All in a world without American leadership? Disorder is the go-to podcast for anyone who wants intelligent, thought…","last_synced_at":"2026-06-16T12:21:10.106481+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/disorder-6608099"},"episode":{"title":"Ep 177. Iran War: Could Europe play Orderers? Or will China fill the void?","slug":"ep-177-iran-war-could-europe-play-orderers-or-will-china-fill-the-void","published_at":"2026-04-07T01:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/disorder-6608099/ep-177-iran-war-could-europe-play-orderers-or-will-china-fill-the-void","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/disorder-6608099","url":"https://pdst.fm/e/tracking.swap.fm/track/2IMk17EdnEqyRhJTIpIU/traffic.megaphone.fm/FPMN3226920744.mp3?updated=1775491454","audio_url":"https://pdst.fm/e/tracking.swap.fm/track/2IMk17EdnEqyRhJTIpIU/traffic.megaphone.fm/FPMN3226920744.mp3?updated=1775491454","summary":"As the Iran conflict enters its sixth week and Trump’s ultimatum is upon us, what is Trump’s real plan here? Is it merely to Disorder, or is he genuinely seeking to negotiate his way out of this conflict? To discuss the latest, including the role of Europe and whether the Strait of Hormuz can be theoretically and practically opened by military force, Jason is joined by Michael Stephens, senior fellow at Global Nation and an associate fellow at RUSI. He ran to be an MP for the Tories in Putney; he speaks Hebrew and Arabic; and has decades of expertise in the Gulf States, Syria, and inside the UK government. Michael and Jason discuss the theological background to the Islamic Republic’s ideology, the positive role Britain can play, whether the mere existence of this conflict helps the Chinese exert more power globally, and what the Europeans could do to Order the Disorder if they wanted to. To join our Mega Orderers Club for ad free listening, early episode releases and exclusive access to live events, visit disordershow.com/club To tell us more about Disorder, visit disordershow.com/survey Producer: George McDonagh Subscribe to our Substack - https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ Disorder on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShow Show Notes Links: To join our Mega Orderers Club for ad free listening, early episode releases and exclusive access to live events, visit disordershow.com/club To tell us more about Disorder, visit disordershow.com/survey Listen and watch Jason explain ‘How will the Iran war reshape global supply chains?’ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoZyAP5tFXo Listen and watch Jason explain, ‘Why did Trump fire Pam Bondi?’ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id8jarTtdFI Want to learn more about Shi’i Islam and how it informs the Islamic Republic’s decisi…","meta_description":"As the Iran conflict enters its sixth week and Trump’s ultimatum is upon us, what is Trump’s real plan here? 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