{"podcast":{"title":"Defense in Depth","slug":"defense-in-depth-427616","podcast_index_feed_id":427616,"rss_url":"https://defenseindepth.libsyn.com/rss","website_url":"https://cisoseries.com/","image_url":"https://static.libsyn.com/p/assets/7/b/7/b/7b7b86bb8e8f13f7/Defense-in-Depth-White-Border-Logo-3000x3000.png","author":"David Spark","episode_count":366,"summary":"Defense in Depth, hosted by David Spark, Steve Zalewski, Geoff Belknap, and Edward Contreras, promises clear talk on cybersecurity's most controversial and confusing debates. Once a week we choose one controversial and popular cybersecurity debate and use the InfoSec community's insights to lead our discussion.","last_synced_at":"2026-07-09T20:18:34.712795+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/defense-in-depth-427616"},"episode":{"title":"Should You Use Native or 3rd Party Cloud Management Tools?","slug":"should-you-use-native-or-3rd-party-cloud-management-tools","published_at":"2026-04-16T10:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/defense-in-depth-427616/should-you-use-native-or-3rd-party-cloud-management-tools","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/defense-in-depth-427616","url":"https://defenseindepth.libsyn.com/should-you-use-native-or-3rd-party-cloud-management-tools","audio_url":"https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/defenseindepth/Defense_in_Depth_04-16-26.mp3?dest-id=1020683","summary":"Should You Use Native or 3rd Party Cloud Management Tools? All links and images can be found on CISO Series . Check out this post from Steve Zalewski for the discussion that is the basis of our conversation on this week's episode co-hosted by David Spark , the producer of CISO Series , and Edward Contreras , senior evp and CISO, Frost Bank . Joining us is their sponsored guest, Gal Ordo , co-founder and CPO, Native . In this episode: More tools, more problems A gap in design Catching what slips through Competence over complexity A huge thanks to our sponsor, Native Security Native makes secure-by-design inherent to how the cloud operates. It's the control plane for built-in cloud security, unifying and governing native controls, so security intent is defined once and applied consistently across providers. Learn more at native.security .","meta_description":"Should You Use Native or 3rd Party Cloud Management Tools? All links and images can be found on CISO Series . Check out this post from Steve Zalewski for…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":1701,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/defense-in-depth-427616/episodes/should-you-use-native-or-3rd-party-cloud-management-tools/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/defense-in-depth-427616/should-you-use-native-or-3rd-party-cloud-management-tools.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}