{"podcast":{"title":"DataFramed","slug":"dataframed","podcast_index_feed_id":431413,"rss_url":"https://feeds.captivate.fm/dataframed/","website_url":"https://www.datacamp.com/podcast","image_url":"https://artwork.captivate.fm/4700b4b7-f386-4200-9a46-640458f2dcbd/5cfec01b44f3e29fae1fb88ade93fc4aecd05b192fbfbc2c2f1daa412b7c192.jpg","author":"DataCamp","episode_count":300,"summary":"Welcome to DataFramed, a weekly podcast exploring how artificial intelligence and data are changing the world around us. On this show, we invite data & AI leaders at the forefront of the data revolution to share their insights and experiences into how they lead the charge in this era of AI. Whether you're a beginner looking to gain insights into a career in data & AI, a practitioner needing to stay up-to-date on the latest tools and trends, or a leader looking to transform how your organization uses data & AI, there's something here for everyone. Join host Richie Cotton as he delves into the stories and ideas that are shaping the future of data. Subscribe to the show and tune in to the latest episode on the feed below.","last_synced_at":"2026-09-14T10:22:15.846770+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/dataframed"},"episode":{"title":"#367 Don't Build on Jell-O: How to Make Agentic AI Reliable with Dan Klein, CTO at Scaled Cognition","slug":"367-don-t-build-on-jell-o-how-to-make-agentic-ai-reliable-with-dan-klein-cto-at-scaled-cognition","published_at":"2026-07-06T09:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/dataframed/367-don-t-build-on-jell-o-how-to-make-agentic-ai-reliable-with-dan-klein-cto-at-scaled-cognition","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/dataframed","url":"https://www.datacamp.com/podcast","audio_url":"https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/cohst.app/pdcst/6G1A6D/episodes.captivate.fm/episode/ae3fe234-a750-4de3-9ada-1e980c3c7744.mp3","summary":"Across the AI industry, capability has exploded while trustworthiness has lagged badly behind. The same technology that writes fluent prose can invent a refund policy that was never real, and most of those errors are subtle enough that no one notices. As more teams hand high-stakes work to AI — in banking, healthcare, customer service — the cost of confident mistakes adds up fast. So how common are hallucinations, really? Can chaining models together or adding humans to the loop fix it? And is reliability something you can design into a system from the start? Dan Klein is the CTO and co-founder of Scaled Cognition and a professor of computer science at UC Berkeley, where he leads the Berkeley NLP Group within the Berkeley AI Research (BAIR) Lab. He previously co-founded Semantic Machines, a conversational AI company acquired by Microsoft in 2018. At Scaled Cognition he built APT (Agentic Pretrained Transformer), a frontier model designed from the ground up for reliable, policy-adherent agentic AI. In the episode, Richie and Dan explore why AI reliability has lagged behind capability, how hallucinations hide in plain sight, the limits of humans-in-the-loop and LLM-as-judge, building reliability into model architecture, agentic systems and verifiable actions, test-driven agent development, the skills that stay valuable, digital literacy, and much more. Links Mentioned in the Show: • Connect with Dan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dan-klein/ • Scaled Cognition: https://www.scaledcognition.com/ • Berkeley NLP Group: https://nlp.cs.berkeley.edu/ • Code smells (Martin Fowler): https://martinfowler.com/bliki/CodeSmell.html • Refactoring, by Martin Fowler: https://martinfowler.com/books/refactoring.html • \"Now you have two problems\" (Jamie Zawinski quote): https://regex.info/blo…","meta_description":"Across the AI industry, capability has exploded while trustworthiness has lagged badly behind. The same technology that writes fluent prose can invent a r…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3102,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/dataframed/episodes/367-don-t-build-on-jell-o-how-to-make-agentic-ai-reliable-with-dan-klein-cto-at-scaled-cognition/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/dataframed/367-don-t-build-on-jell-o-how-to-make-agentic-ai-reliable-with-dan-klein-cto-at-scaled-cognition.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}