{"podcast":{"title":"Cross Party Lines","slug":"cross-party-lines-7562106","podcast_index_feed_id":7562106,"rss_url":"https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/6741293.rss","website_url":"https://crosspartylines.substack.com/podcast","image_url":"https://substackcdn.com/feed/podcast/6741293/e9a8cf48c31f0e62acfae7772e0130fd.jpg","author":"Cross Party Lines","episode_count":50,"summary":"A show and community that help you unpack New Zealand politics in a fast-changing world order, hosted by Phil Goff and Chris Finlayson.","last_synced_at":"2026-09-22T16:18:12.660915+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cross-party-lines-7562106"},"episode":{"title":"Peters' Dying Light, Data Debate and Disappearing Commissioners","slug":"peters-dying-light-data-debate-and-disappearing-commissioners","published_at":"2026-08-03T16:30:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cross-party-lines-7562106/peters-dying-light-data-debate-and-disappearing-commissioners","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cross-party-lines-7562106","url":"https://crosspartylines.substack.com/p/peters-dying-light-data-debate-and","audio_url":"https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/209601992/10470928984e55a5a385b52f79095c7f.mp3","summary":"Hosted by Phil Goff and Chris Finlayson, Cross Party Lines returns with an episode that opens on Winston Peters telling a Green MP to go back to his own country and calling China’s leaders liars — and asks why the Prime Minister is applying a different standard to racism than he did to sexism. Proudly brought to you by Frank Risk Management, the 100% kiwi-owned insurance brokerage. Find out more at frankrisk.co.nz. In this episode: * Peters goes off the rails — again, and possibly for the last time — Winston Peters told Lawrence Xu-Nan, a Green MP who has lived in New Zealand for most of his life, to go back to his own country. He then labelled China’s leadership — New Zealand’s biggest trading partner — a bunch of liars, prompting a formal rebuke from the Chinese Embassy that neither Phil nor Chris can recall happening before in their combined decades in politics. Chris reaches for Dylan Thomas — do not go gentle into that good night — and reads the whole episode as a career in its dying convulsions: disproportionate, extreme and politically self-destructive. * Economies of Doubt and Data of Hope — $3.5 billion, 280 megawatts and a debate nobody is having — DataGrid, a Singapore-based company, is planning a data centre near Invercargill that would consume more than twice the power of all 62 existing data centres in New Zealand combined. Both Phil and Chris land cautiously in favour — New Zealand would effectively be exporting sustainable energy in the form of data, worth potentially $50-70 billion in economic benefits according to the Boston Consulting Group — but both are frustrated that neither the government nor the company is making the public case. * Too many commissioners? — The episode closes on a genuine disagreement: Children’s Commissioner Claire Achmed has…","meta_description":"Hosted by Phil Goff and Chris Finlayson, Cross Party Lines returns with an episode that opens on Winston Peters telling a Green MP to go back to his own c…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":2823,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/cross-party-lines-7562106/episodes/peters-dying-light-data-debate-and-disappearing-commissioners/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cross-party-lines-7562106/peters-dying-light-data-debate-and-disappearing-commissioners.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}