{"podcast":{"title":"Created Creative Podcast","slug":"created-creative-podcast-6694810","podcast_index_feed_id":6694810,"rss_url":"https://feeds.captivate.fm/created-creative-podcast/","website_url":"https://created-creative-podcast.captivate.fm","image_url":"https://artwork.captivate.fm/6745e0b9-4133-4674-9a4f-cf959f39741c/Ioc-3v9JIECL_-KM5OZlLuua.png","author":"Ruth Hetland and Dawn Trautman","episode_count":133,"summary":"Embark on a journey with Ruth, creator of the wildly popular ConseCrate subscription box for ministers, and Dawn, veteran life coach to leaders to churches and non-profits through her business Big Picture Big Purpose, as they navigate the labyrinth of creativity on \"Created Creative.\" Together, these creative entrepreneurs delve into the universal aspects of the creative life. From the restlessness within that compels us to build something new, whether it's a Lego castle or a life-altering venture, they celebrate the beauty and sanctity of these creative stirrings. Join them in exploring the transformative power of paying attention to that inner restlessness and making space for the growth of new, beautiful things. Welcome to a podcast that recognizes and celebrates how we are all \"Created Creative.\"","last_synced_at":"2026-09-15T04:21:04.987695+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/created-creative-podcast-6694810"},"episode":{"title":"Ep 133 - Because Sometimes the Most Sacred Thing You Can Do Is Let Go with Sarah Jones","slug":"ep-133-because-sometimes-the-most-sacred-thing-you-can-do-is-let-go-with-sarah-jones","published_at":"2026-09-14T14:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/created-creative-podcast-6694810/ep-133-because-sometimes-the-most-sacred-thing-you-can-do-is-let-go-with-sarah-jones","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/created-creative-podcast-6694810","url":"https://createdcreativepodcast.com","audio_url":"https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/65e052a4-cc41-4bc5-a97e-e3e250baa50a.mp3","summary":"Dawn and Ruth welcome Pastor Sarah Jones, program director of the ELCA's Church Property Resource Hub, launched March 2025. Sarah's doing some of the most important and emotionally complex work in the church right now: helping congregations navigate the grief of underused or ill-fitting buildings and find new life on the other side. Here's what makes Sarah's work so compelling: She's not just talking about real estate decisions. She's talking about the messy cocoon stage of transformation. The grief, the loss, the uncertainty that comes when a congregation has to reimagine what their building is actually for. That's not a spreadsheet problem. That's a pastoral one. Sarah shares beautiful success stories: a neurodivergent school sharing space with a congregation, a church house repurposed for family visitation. She emphasizes moving away from membership growth as the main metric and toward community impact, because a building that serves the neighborhood might matter more than one that serves only Sunday morning regulars. Her practical advice? Clarify your mission first. Then invite local stakeholders to tour your space. Build partnerships before you desperately need them. This episode is for anyone navigating institutional change, letting go of what was, and wondering what comes next. LINKS: The Church Property Resource Hub: https://www.elca.org/how-we-serve/churches-and-church-leaders/property-resources Check out Discern by Doing for Business with Dawn Trautman! https://bigpicturebigpurpose.lpages.co/discern-by-doing-for-business/ Clergy Appreciation Month is October! Order a ConseCrate for your favorite minister here: consecrate.cratejoy.com 00:42 Finding Common Ground 02:34 Church Connections 03:17 Episode Setup 00:02 Meet Pastor Sarah 05:14 Hub Origin Story 07:01 W…","meta_description":"Dawn and Ruth welcome Pastor Sarah Jones, program director of the ELCA's Church Property Resource Hub, launched March 2025. Sarah's doing some of the most…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":2133,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/created-creative-podcast-6694810/episodes/ep-133-because-sometimes-the-most-sacred-thing-you-can-do-is-let-go-with-sarah-jones/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/created-creative-podcast-6694810/ep-133-because-sometimes-the-most-sacred-thing-you-can-do-is-let-go-with-sarah-jones.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}