{"podcast":{"title":"Crazy Together","slug":"crazy-together-7119114","podcast_index_feed_id":7119114,"rss_url":"https://feed.podbean.com/crazytogetherpod/feed.xml","website_url":"https://www.crazytogetherpod.com/","image_url":"https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/image-logo/19402746/CrazyTogether_2000Sq.png","author":"Marcus & Esme O’Kayvius","episode_count":100,"summary":"If you’re sick and tired of listening to the negative talk track playing in your head, then why not listen to us instead? We are Marcus and Esme O’Kayvius (not our real names), a married, neurodivergent couple with a lot of experience managing our own mental health issues while raising a daughter and navigating the dystopic hellscape that is corporate America. Join us each week as we discuss trending mental health issues and explore how they impact our health and wellness. We’ll also examine the myths and misconceptions associated with mental health and what we can do about them. Visit our website: crazytogetherpod.com","last_synced_at":null,"page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/crazy-together-7119114"},"episode":{"title":"108. Object Permanence and the Neurodivergent “Identity”","slug":"108-object-permanence-and-the-neurodivergent-identity","published_at":"2026-05-20T21:55:29+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/crazy-together-7119114/108-object-permanence-and-the-neurodivergent-identity","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/crazy-together-7119114","url":"https://crazytogetherpod.podbean.com/e/108-object-permanence-and-the-neurodivergent-identity/","audio_url":"https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/4a56isjmssdtni3y/CT_108_Obj_Permanence.mp3","summary":"Do neurodivergent people really struggle with object permanence? Generally speaking, no. Babies and dogs may struggle to understand that something still exists even if they can’t see it anymore (which explains the rush babies get playing peek-a-boo). However, most older children and adults – regardless of neurotype – tend to understand that mommy has not exited this earthly plain just because she threw a blanket over her head. That being said, Marcus and Esme think there is one very specific area of neurodivergent peoples’ lives where they might struggle with something similar to object permanence. Specifically, if neurodivergent people: Acknowledge they live in a world that was built for neurotypical people . . . And respond to these structural inequities by focusing on improving their “flaws” and “defects” ONLY . . . Then they are denying the existence of all the ways in which systems are structured against them. This is a natural reaction for neurodivergent people. After all, they’re raised to believe that being neurodivergent is a condition, and as such they must be “fixed” to be successful in school and at the office. But what if neurodivergence isn’t a condition? What if being neurodivergent just meant a person was different? In other words, what if neurodivergence was an identity? That’s the question Marcus and Esme explore in this episode: what would it mean if we thought of neurodivergence as an identity, and how might that change the way we think not only of our developmental needs, but of the systems and structures that weren’t built with us in mind?","meta_description":"Do neurodivergent people really struggle with object permanence? Generally speaking, no. Babies and dogs may struggle to understand that something still e…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":4052,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/crazy-together-7119114/episodes/108-object-permanence-and-the-neurodivergent-identity/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/crazy-together-7119114/108-object-permanence-and-the-neurodivergent-identity.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}