{"podcast":{"title":"Code Story: Insights from Startup Tech Leaders","slug":"code-story","podcast_index_feed_id":735330,"rss_url":"https://feeds.redcircle.com/ac5e79a4-0405-49a3-af2c-02c37f0b3879","website_url":"https://codestory.co/","image_url":"https://media.redcircle.com/images/2025/5/14/20/c82c3282-f0a8-4b37-b210-96f7da10be1e_4061-b148-29cd200c3504_full_1568830220-artwork.jpg","author":"Noah Labhart - Startup Founder & CTO","episode_count":793,"summary":"Code Story is a startup podcast for technical founders building and scaling software products. Each episode features SaaS founders, engineers, and product leaders sharing how they built their product, found product-market fit, and navigated early-stage growth. We explore: Early engineering decisions and MVP development Landing the first customers Pricing and go-to-market experiments Scaling challenges and infrastructure bottlenecks Hiring the first team Lessons learned from growing a startup From first commit to first scale, Code Story focuses on the critical transition from building software to building a scalable business. 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