{"podcast":{"title":"CMO School","slug":"cmo-school-7223344","podcast_index_feed_id":7223344,"rss_url":"https://feeds.captivate.fm/cmo-school/","website_url":"https://www.risewithnavi.com/podcast","image_url":"https://artwork.captivate.fm/9c842482-fabd-4da8-ad34-d1897a69c049/-FJkFcr1ENonu9kII4Vlvt-b.jpg","author":"Jessica Shirra | Fractional CMO","episode_count":55,"summary":"CMO School is the go-to podcast for marketers and Fractional CMOs ready to step into leadership, own their expertise, and build a career or business that actually works for them. Whether you're looking to elevate your skills, transition into a CMO role, or scale your Fractional business, this podcast delivers strategies, expert insights, and the mindset shifts you need to create a career you love. Hosted by Jess Shirra—a 15+ year marketing leader, Fractional CMO, and founder of Fractional CMO School—this show takes you behind the scenes on what actually works in marketing, business, and leadership. Jess has worked with powerhouse brands and creators like Lululemon, Pottery Barn, Strava, Jenna Kutcher, Lori Harder, and more—and now, she’s sharing those lessons with you. Each episode, we dive into proven strategies, practical insights, and candid conversations on topics like: How to step into leadership as a marketer and own your expertise How to confidently price your services and build a business that supports the life you want What it really takes to succeed as a Fractional CMO How to show up as a CMO for your clients, deliver powerful strategy, and lead teams effectively Lessons…","last_synced_at":"2026-07-08T08:28:36.478140+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cmo-school-7223344"},"episode":{"title":"Why Clients Don’t See You as A Leader (And How to Fix It)","slug":"why-clients-don-t-see-you-as-a-leader-and-how-to-fix-it","published_at":"2026-03-24T09:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cmo-school-7223344/why-clients-don-t-see-you-as-a-leader-and-how-to-fix-it","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cmo-school-7223344","url":"https://www.risewithnavi.com/podcast","audio_url":"https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/347dbfba-5c57-4995-880a-e54ce6b91ad7.mp3","summary":"How your clients see you determines everything — how much they trust your decisions, how often they question your strategy, how much control they take in meetings, and ultimately how much they’re willing to pay you as a Fractional CMO. If you’ve ever felt a client slowly start directing you, second-guessing your recommendations, or treating you more like an executor than a strategic leader, this episode will help you understand why. In this episode, I break down: The communication shifts that position you as a strategic leader The subtle behaviors that weaken your authority The biggest mistake marketers make when they’re trying to show up as a leader And how to recalibrate the dynamic with a client if you’re sensing they don’t see you as a leader This isn’t about being louder or more dominant. It’s about showing up with clarity, direction, and confidence in every interaction. Because being a CMO isn’t just about strategy — it’s about leadership and communication. Ready to take the next step? If you’re ready to step into the Fractional CMO role but want support as you do it, Fractional CMO School is a 6-month coaching program + community to help you confidently land high-ticket clients and build a 6-figure (and beyond) business as a Fractional CMO. 🎓 Learn More → http://www.fractional-cmo-school.com/","meta_description":"How your clients see you determines everything — how much they trust your decisions, how often they question your strategy, how much control they take in…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":857,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/cmo-school-7223344/episodes/why-clients-don-t-see-you-as-a-leader-and-how-to-fix-it/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cmo-school-7223344/why-clients-don-t-see-you-as-a-leader-and-how-to-fix-it.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}