{"podcast":{"title":"CMO School","slug":"cmo-school-7223344","podcast_index_feed_id":7223344,"rss_url":"https://feeds.captivate.fm/cmo-school/","website_url":"https://www.risewithnavi.com/podcast","image_url":"https://artwork.captivate.fm/9c842482-fabd-4da8-ad34-d1897a69c049/-FJkFcr1ENonu9kII4Vlvt-b.jpg","author":"Jessica Shirra | Fractional CMO","episode_count":55,"summary":"CMO School is the go-to podcast for marketers and Fractional CMOs ready to step into leadership, own their expertise, and build a career or business that actually works for them. Whether you're looking to elevate your skills, transition into a CMO role, or scale your Fractional business, this podcast delivers strategies, expert insights, and the mindset shifts you need to create a career you love. Hosted by Jess Shirra—a 15+ year marketing leader, Fractional CMO, and founder of Fractional CMO School—this show takes you behind the scenes on what actually works in marketing, business, and leadership. Jess has worked with powerhouse brands and creators like Lululemon, Pottery Barn, Strava, Jenna Kutcher, Lori Harder, and more—and now, she’s sharing those lessons with you. Each episode, we dive into proven strategies, practical insights, and candid conversations on topics like: How to step into leadership as a marketer and own your expertise How to confidently price your services and build a business that supports the life you want What it really takes to succeed as a Fractional CMO How to show up as a CMO for your clients, deliver powerful strategy, and lead teams effectively Lessons…","last_synced_at":"2026-07-08T08:28:36.478140+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cmo-school-7223344"},"episode":{"title":"What I Do (and Don’t Do) With Hiring for Clients as a Fractional CMO","slug":"what-i-do-and-don-t-do-with-hiring-for-clients-as-a-fractional-cmo","published_at":"2026-03-10T09:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cmo-school-7223344/what-i-do-and-don-t-do-with-hiring-for-clients-as-a-fractional-cmo","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cmo-school-7223344","url":"https://www.risewithnavi.com/podcast","audio_url":"https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/f2abd133-3fa0-467d-8271-3c209576b539.mp3","summary":"When you don’t know what you should own (and what you shouldn’t) during the hiring process, you end up posting job descriptions, screening resumes, running interviews, onboarding new hires…and quickly turning your fractional role into a full-time job. In this episode of my series “What I Do and Don’t Do as a CMO,” I’m breaking down how I handle hiring for clients. We cover: The 5 things I own when it comes to hiring for client teams The biggest mistake I see marketers make when they try to “be helpful” with hiring Where the line is between strategic leadership and operational recruiting And the simple filter I use to protect my time and keep my boundaries Hiring impacts marketing performance — but running the entire process is not your job. If you’ve ever found yourself slipping into recruiter or marketing manager mode, this episode will help you reset your boundaries and operate at the CMO level. Ready to take the next step? If you’re ready to step into the Fractional CMO role but want support as you do it, Fractional CMO School is a 6-month coaching program + community to help you confidently land high-ticket clients and build a 6-figure (and beyond) business as a Fractional CMO. 🎓 Learn More → http://www.fractional-cmo-school.com/","meta_description":"When you don’t know what you should own (and what you shouldn’t) during the hiring process, you end up posting job descriptions, screening resumes, runnin…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":675,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/cmo-school-7223344/episodes/what-i-do-and-don-t-do-with-hiring-for-clients-as-a-fractional-cmo/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cmo-school-7223344/what-i-do-and-don-t-do-with-hiring-for-clients-as-a-fractional-cmo.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}