{"podcast":{"title":"CMO School","slug":"cmo-school-7223344","podcast_index_feed_id":7223344,"rss_url":"https://feeds.captivate.fm/cmo-school/","website_url":"https://www.risewithnavi.com/podcast","image_url":"https://artwork.captivate.fm/9c842482-fabd-4da8-ad34-d1897a69c049/-FJkFcr1ENonu9kII4Vlvt-b.jpg","author":"Jessica Shirra | Fractional CMO","episode_count":55,"summary":"CMO School is the go-to podcast for marketers and Fractional CMOs ready to step into leadership, own their expertise, and build a career or business that actually works for them. Whether you're looking to elevate your skills, transition into a CMO role, or scale your Fractional business, this podcast delivers strategies, expert insights, and the mindset shifts you need to create a career you love. Hosted by Jess Shirra—a 15+ year marketing leader, Fractional CMO, and founder of Fractional CMO School—this show takes you behind the scenes on what actually works in marketing, business, and leadership. Jess has worked with powerhouse brands and creators like Lululemon, Pottery Barn, Strava, Jenna Kutcher, Lori Harder, and more—and now, she’s sharing those lessons with you. Each episode, we dive into proven strategies, practical insights, and candid conversations on topics like: How to step into leadership as a marketer and own your expertise How to confidently price your services and build a business that supports the life you want What it really takes to succeed as a Fractional CMO How to show up as a CMO for your clients, deliver powerful strategy, and lead teams effectively Lessons…","last_synced_at":"2026-07-08T08:28:36.478140+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cmo-school-7223344"},"episode":{"title":"What Founders Need From Marketers and Fractional CMOs with Heather Chauvin","slug":"what-founders-need-from-marketers-and-fractional-cmos-with-heather-chauvin","published_at":"2026-01-20T09:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cmo-school-7223344/what-founders-need-from-marketers-and-fractional-cmos-with-heather-chauvin","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cmo-school-7223344","url":"https://www.risewithnavi.com/podcast","audio_url":"https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/99c54bb4-9924-41d4-bae9-3c66fb673ae8.mp3","summary":"Why do founder–marketer relationships break down so often — even when everyone has good intentions? In this episode, I’m joined by Heather Chauvin, leadership coach and longtime founder, to talk honestly about what founders are actually looking for when they hire marketing support — and why marketing can be one of the most emotionally charged hires a business owner makes. We unpack: Why many founders develop trust issues with marketing (and how those experiences shape expectations) The hype problem in marketing — and why results are never guaranteed What founders really want beyond revenue: to feel seen, heard, and supported The “secret ROI” conversations most marketers never ask — and why they matter Why energy management, capacity, and boundaries are part of the job How strong Fractional CMOs lead as partners, not order-takers or hype machines If you’re a Fractional CMO or senior marketer, this episode will help you understand what’s really happening underneath founder expectations — and how to lead the relationship with more clarity, confidence, and trust. Ready to take the next step? If you’re ready to step into the Fractional CMO role but want support as you do it, Fractional CMO School is a 6-month coaching program + community to help you confidently land high-ticket clients and build a 6-figure (and beyond) business as a Fractional CMO. 🎓 Learn More → http://www.fractional-cmo-school.com/","meta_description":"Why do founder–marketer relationships break down so often — even when everyone has good intentions? In this episode, I’m joined by Heather Chauvin, leader…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":2569,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/cmo-school-7223344/episodes/what-founders-need-from-marketers-and-fractional-cmos-with-heather-chauvin/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cmo-school-7223344/what-founders-need-from-marketers-and-fractional-cmos-with-heather-chauvin.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}