{"podcast":{"title":"CMO School","slug":"cmo-school-7223344","podcast_index_feed_id":7223344,"rss_url":"https://feeds.captivate.fm/cmo-school/","website_url":"https://www.risewithnavi.com/podcast","image_url":"https://artwork.captivate.fm/9c842482-fabd-4da8-ad34-d1897a69c049/-FJkFcr1ENonu9kII4Vlvt-b.jpg","author":"Jessica Shirra | Fractional CMO","episode_count":65,"summary":"CMO School is the go-to podcast for marketers and Fractional CMOs ready to step into leadership, own their expertise, and build a career or business that actually works for them. Whether you're looking to elevate your skills, transition into a CMO role, or scale your Fractional business, this podcast delivers strategies, expert insights, and the mindset shifts you need to create a career you love. Hosted by Jess Shirra—a 15+ year marketing leader, Fractional CMO, and founder of Fractional CMO School—this show takes you behind the scenes on what actually works in marketing, business, and leadership. Jess has worked with powerhouse brands and creators like Lululemon, Pottery Barn, Strava, Jenna Kutcher, Lori Harder, and more—and now, she’s sharing those lessons with you. Each episode, we dive into proven strategies, practical insights, and candid conversations on topics like: How to step into leadership as a marketer and own your expertise How to confidently price your services and build a business that supports the life you want What it really takes to succeed as a Fractional CMO How to show up as a CMO for your clients, deliver powerful strategy, and lead teams effectively Lessons…","last_synced_at":"2026-09-22T10:20:38.683196+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cmo-school-7223344"},"episode":{"title":"How to Think Like a CMO: 6 Laws for Better Marketing Strategy","slug":"how-to-think-like-a-cmo-6-laws-for-better-marketing-strategy","published_at":"2026-09-15T09:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cmo-school-7223344/how-to-think-like-a-cmo-6-laws-for-better-marketing-strategy","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cmo-school-7223344","url":"https://www.risewithnavi.com/podcast","audio_url":"https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/2bc29837-cfb2-4157-9d9d-4c41883a1e7e.mp3","summary":"Anyone can put together a deck full of marketing recommendations. Building a strategy that actually feels like it came from a really good CMO requires a completely different level of thinking. Over the years, I've realized there are a handful of principles I come back to every single time I'm building strategy for a client. They've changed the way I make recommendations, how I work with founders, and honestly, how confident I feel making the calls I'm being paid to make. This week's episode is actually pulled from a training I taught inside Fractional CMO School, and I'm walking you through what I call the Six Laws of CMO-Level Strategy. In this episode, we're covering: The six laws I use when building high-level marketing strategy for clients How to start thinking like the person leading marketing instead of simply doing the marketing The common mistakes that can make an otherwise solid strategy feel more junior or execution-focused How to develop stronger strategic judgment when there isn't one obvious \"right\" answer How to make recommendations you can actually stand behind and communicate confidently to your clients The more you develop this way of thinking, the easier it becomes to walk into a business, see what's actually going on, know where to focus, and make the calls your clients are looking to you to make. And that's such a huge part of stepping into the CMO role with confidence. You trust your thinking more, your clients trust your recommendations more, and you start showing up as the person who can actually lead the marketing. Ready to take the next step? If you’re ready to step into the Fractional CMO role but want support as you do it, Fractional CMO School is a 6-month coaching program + community to help you confidently land high-ticket clients and buil…","meta_description":"Anyone can put together a deck full of marketing recommendations. Building a strategy that actually feels like it came from a really good CMO requires a c…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":1257,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/cmo-school-7223344/episodes/how-to-think-like-a-cmo-6-laws-for-better-marketing-strategy/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cmo-school-7223344/how-to-think-like-a-cmo-6-laws-for-better-marketing-strategy.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}