{"podcast":{"title":"CMO School","slug":"cmo-school-7223344","podcast_index_feed_id":7223344,"rss_url":"https://feeds.captivate.fm/cmo-school/","website_url":"https://www.risewithnavi.com/podcast","image_url":"https://artwork.captivate.fm/9c842482-fabd-4da8-ad34-d1897a69c049/-FJkFcr1ENonu9kII4Vlvt-b.jpg","author":"Jessica Shirra | Fractional CMO","episode_count":65,"summary":"CMO School is the go-to podcast for marketers and Fractional CMOs ready to step into leadership, own their expertise, and build a career or business that actually works for them. Whether you're looking to elevate your skills, transition into a CMO role, or scale your Fractional business, this podcast delivers strategies, expert insights, and the mindset shifts you need to create a career you love. Hosted by Jess Shirra—a 15+ year marketing leader, Fractional CMO, and founder of Fractional CMO School—this show takes you behind the scenes on what actually works in marketing, business, and leadership. Jess has worked with powerhouse brands and creators like Lululemon, Pottery Barn, Strava, Jenna Kutcher, Lori Harder, and more—and now, she’s sharing those lessons with you. Each episode, we dive into proven strategies, practical insights, and candid conversations on topics like: How to step into leadership as a marketer and own your expertise How to confidently price your services and build a business that supports the life you want What it really takes to succeed as a Fractional CMO How to show up as a CMO for your clients, deliver powerful strategy, and lead teams effectively Lessons…","last_synced_at":"2026-09-22T10:20:38.683196+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cmo-school-7223344"},"episode":{"title":"3 Ways to Grow Your Marketing Business Without Working More Hours","slug":"3-ways-to-grow-your-marketing-business-without-working-more-hours","published_at":"2026-08-25T09:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cmo-school-7223344/3-ways-to-grow-your-marketing-business-without-working-more-hours","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cmo-school-7223344","url":"https://www.risewithnavi.com/podcast","audio_url":"https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/362e50a6-7920-4306-b7fb-3d528b3a0180.mp3","summary":"If you've built a successful marketing business, you've probably realised that making more money often means taking on more clients, more projects or working more hours. And at some point, you stop wanting that. The problem is, most marketers only see one obvious next step: build an agency. But that's not the right path for everyone. In this episode, I'm talking about the three different directions experienced marketers can take when they want to keep growing—and why I think the better question isn't, \"How do I grow my business?\" It's, \"What kind of business do I actually want to build?\" Because the business you build next should fit the life you want, not just your revenue goals. Ready to take the next step? If you’re ready to step into the Fractional CMO role but want support as you do it, Fractional CMO School is a 6-month coaching program + community to help you confidently land high-ticket clients and build a 6-figure (and beyond) business as a Fractional CMO. 🎓 Learn More → http://www.fractional-cmo-school.com/ FRACTIONAL CMO START UP GUIDE: https://www.thecmooffice.com/fcmo-guide BOOK A CALL → https://calendly.com/the-cmo-office/fcmos-clarity-call TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 How to Grow Without Working More 01:10 The Question That Changes Everything 02:35 Option 1: Become the Premium Solo Expert 04:50 Why I Didn't Choose the Solopreneur Path 06:10 Option 2: Build an Agency 08:00 Why an Agency Wasn't Right for Me 09:00 Option 3: Become a Fractional CMO 11:20 Why I Chose the Fractional CMO Model 13:00 Which Business Model Fits Your Life? 14:10 Build a Business You Don't Want to Escape","meta_description":"If you've built a successful marketing business, you've probably realised that making more money often means taking on more clients, more projects or work…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":897,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/cmo-school-7223344/episodes/3-ways-to-grow-your-marketing-business-without-working-more-hours/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cmo-school-7223344/3-ways-to-grow-your-marketing-business-without-working-more-hours.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}