{"podcast":{"title":"Church Staff Book Club","slug":"church-staff-book-club-7646058","podcast_index_feed_id":7646058,"rss_url":"https://api.riverside.fm/hosting/wZCVo8Of.rss","website_url":"https://jonathanmalm.com","image_url":"https://hosting-media.riverside.com/media/podcasts/1743bd73-d0cd-4a20-a221-0a732e2041e9/logos/40768025-e66c-4d94-8699-53e49b4d0128.jpeg","author":"Jonathan Malm","episode_count":26,"summary":"A podcast for church leaders who want to grow but don’t have time to read every book. Join authors Jonathan Malm and Jason Young as they break down leadership books chapter by chapter, sharing practical insights and real-life ministry applications along the way. Whether you’re reading along or just listening in, this is your go-to resource for becoming a better leader... One conversation at a time.","last_synced_at":"2026-07-15T04:18:47.595679+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/church-staff-book-club-7646058"},"episode":{"title":"Nobody Signs Up for Difficult, but It's What You Need","slug":"nobody-signs-up-for-difficult-but-it-s-what-you-need","published_at":"2026-06-23T13:43:03+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/church-staff-book-club-7646058/nobody-signs-up-for-difficult-but-it-s-what-you-need","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/church-staff-book-club-7646058","url":"https://api.riverside.com/hosting-analytics/media/732befe6b9600af9a5aaaaac82984633e4c1de39cf8c8d417f3958e7a7c1740a/eyJlcGlzb2RlSWQiOiJiZjdmMGIwZi1mYWY0LTRmN2MtOGI2NS1jYjdhYWRhMWI5NTEiLCJwb2RjYXN0SWQiOiIxNzQzYmQ3My1kMGNkLTRhMjAtYTIyMS0wYTczMmUyMDQxZTkiLCJhY2NvdW50SWQiOiI2OGMxY2FkMzNhMzk0ZmE2NjA0MjBmNDIiLCJwYXRoIjoibWVkaWEvY2xpcHMvNmEzYThlMmYzNjMzYWYxNzQzNDE5ODM4L2pvbmF0aGFuLW1hbG1zLXN0dWRpby1jb21wb3Nlci0yMDI2LTYtMjNfXzE1LTQ2LTIzLm1wMyJ9.mp3","audio_url":"https://api.riverside.com/hosting-analytics/media/732befe6b9600af9a5aaaaac82984633e4c1de39cf8c8d417f3958e7a7c1740a/eyJlcGlzb2RlSWQiOiJiZjdmMGIwZi1mYWY0LTRmN2MtOGI2NS1jYjdhYWRhMWI5NTEiLCJwb2RjYXN0SWQiOiIxNzQzYmQ3My1kMGNkLTRhMjAtYTIyMS0wYTczMmUyMDQxZTkiLCJhY2NvdW50SWQiOiI2OGMxY2FkMzNhMzk0ZmE2NjA0MjBmNDIiLCJwYXRoIjoibWVkaWEvY2xpcHMvNmEzYThlMmYzNjMzYWYxNzQzNDE5ODM4L2pvbmF0aGFuLW1hbG1zLXN0dWRpby1jb21wb3Nlci0yMDI2LTYtMjNfXzE1LTQ2LTIzLm1wMyJ9.mp3","summary":"In this episode, Jonathan Malm and Jason Young dig into Chapter 5 of How to Get a Return on Failure by John Maxwell and get surprisingly personal doing it. Jason opens up about navigating a genuinely heavy season in real time. Jonathan reflects on what getting fired, building a business, and supporting his wife through her darkest season all happening simultaneously actually produced in him. And both of them wrestle with the question every church leader eventually has to answer: are you running from God, or running to Him? In this episode, you'll learn: Why your brain is literally wired to avoid difficult, and how to work against that instinct The dangerous trap of praying for growth while avoiding the very process that produces it How playing it safe as a leader doesn't just limit you , it limits everyone on your team Why the leader who pursues hard builds capacity that comfort simply cannot produce What Netflix, Blockbuster, and COVID all have to say about ministry resilience How to lead from underneath a difficult boss in a way that pays dividends for years The difference between being Job and being Jonah Plus, Jonathan and Jason make the case that the hard season you're tempted to escape right now might be the one that defines your leadership forever.","meta_description":"In this episode, Jonathan Malm and Jason Young dig into Chapter 5 of How to Get a Return on Failure by John Maxwell and get surprisingly personal doing it…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":1813,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/church-staff-book-club-7646058/episodes/nobody-signs-up-for-difficult-but-it-s-what-you-need/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/church-staff-book-club-7646058/nobody-signs-up-for-difficult-but-it-s-what-you-need.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}