{"podcast":{"title":"Church Staff Book Club","slug":"church-staff-book-club-7646058","podcast_index_feed_id":7646058,"rss_url":"https://api.riverside.fm/hosting/wZCVo8Of.rss","website_url":"https://jonathanmalm.com","image_url":"https://hosting-media.riverside.com/media/podcasts/1743bd73-d0cd-4a20-a221-0a732e2041e9/logos/40768025-e66c-4d94-8699-53e49b4d0128.jpeg","author":"Jonathan Malm","episode_count":26,"summary":"A podcast for church leaders who want to grow but don’t have time to read every book. Join authors Jonathan Malm and Jason Young as they break down leadership books chapter by chapter, sharing practical insights and real-life ministry applications along the way. Whether you’re reading along or just listening in, this is your go-to resource for becoming a better leader... One conversation at a time.","last_synced_at":"2026-07-15T04:18:47.595679+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/church-staff-book-club-7646058"},"episode":{"title":"Are You the Helper or the Antagonist?","slug":"are-you-the-helper-or-the-antagonist","published_at":"2026-02-03T15:55:37+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/church-staff-book-club-7646058/are-you-the-helper-or-the-antagonist","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/church-staff-book-club-7646058","url":"https://api.riverside.com/hosting-analytics/media/929c7ed66b3ec7019dec399d71258e97e7172ef70a76b2e5b5304e65ded60f0b/eyJlcGlzb2RlSWQiOiI1NGEzZTQwMi05ZGM1LTQ2YTUtYmFmNy03NjY4ZDI4MjY1YzYiLCJwb2RjYXN0SWQiOiIxNzQzYmQ3My1kMGNkLTRhMjAtYTIyMS0wYTczMmUyMDQxZTkiLCJhY2NvdW50SWQiOiI2OGMxY2FkMzNhMzk0ZmE2NjA0MjBmNDIiLCJwYXRoIjoibWVkaWEvY2xpcHMvNjk4MjFiMTZjZjU4OGM2ODNlMDViM2RiL2pvbmF0aGFuLW1hbG1zLXN0dWRpby1jb21wb3Nlci0yMDI2LTItM19fMTYtNTgtMTQubXAzIn0=.mp3","audio_url":"https://api.riverside.com/hosting-analytics/media/929c7ed66b3ec7019dec399d71258e97e7172ef70a76b2e5b5304e65ded60f0b/eyJlcGlzb2RlSWQiOiI1NGEzZTQwMi05ZGM1LTQ2YTUtYmFmNy03NjY4ZDI4MjY1YzYiLCJwb2RjYXN0SWQiOiIxNzQzYmQ3My1kMGNkLTRhMjAtYTIyMS0wYTczMmUyMDQxZTkiLCJhY2NvdW50SWQiOiI2OGMxY2FkMzNhMzk0ZmE2NjA0MjBmNDIiLCJwYXRoIjoibWVkaWEvY2xpcHMvNjk4MjFiMTZjZjU4OGM2ODNlMDViM2RiL2pvbmF0aGFuLW1hbG1zLXN0dWRpby1jb21wb3Nlci0yMDI2LTItM19fMTYtNTgtMTQubXAzIn0=.mp3","summary":"In this episode of Church Staff Book Club , Jonathan Malm and Jason Young dive into Chapter 5 of The Come Back Effect : “Think Scene by Scene.” You’ll learn why it’s not just about the stage or sermon, but every transition point guests experience at your church: parking, check-in, kids drop-off, seating, and even how they exit. These in-between moments are often where people feel the most confusion and where churches lose trust without realizing it. Whether you’re a church staff member, guest services leader, or volunteer, this conversation will help you: Understand how guests emotionally experience your church “scene by scene” Map the guest journey to improve hospitality and clarity Train your volunteers to guide, not just greet, people Eliminate confusion and frustration from first-time experiences Become a helper in someone’s story, not a hindrance 📘 Get the book: [ The Come Back Effect by Jason Young & Jonathan Malm] 🎧 Listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen 💬 Drop a comment or DM us with your biggest church hospitality question!","meta_description":"In this episode of Church Staff Book Club , Jonathan Malm and Jason Young dive into Chapter 5 of The Come Back Effect : “Think Scene by Scene.” You’ll lea…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":1926,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/church-staff-book-club-7646058/episodes/are-you-the-helper-or-the-antagonist/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/church-staff-book-club-7646058/are-you-the-helper-or-the-antagonist.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}