{"podcast":{"title":"Chain of Thought | AI Agents, Infrastructure & Engineering","slug":"chain-of-thought-ai-agents","podcast_index_feed_id":7074333,"rss_url":"https://feeds.transistor.fm/chain-of-thought","website_url":"https://www.chainofthought.show/","image_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/L9UtZvVIeHCUeyWb9gm7IMgzws11SpR5smiF7YG89n4/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:1400/h:1400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS85ZWU3/Mjk4NDcwNGRiOGI4/NWUwMTQ0ZjA1NjM3/ZWU0Ny5qcGc.jpg","author":"Conor Bronsdon","episode_count":73,"summary":"AI is reshaping infrastructure, strategy, and entire industries. Chain of Thought is the podcast where builders reason through what's changing. Host Conor Bronsdon sits down with the engineers and founders shipping AI in production to get past the hype into what's working and what isn't. Episodes cover model infrastructure, inference, agent frameworks, evaluation, and developer tools. Guests have come from NVIDIA, Google DeepMind, AMD, Databricks, Vercel, and more. Every episode carries a full transcript and show notes at chainofthought.show. New episodes weekly. Conor Bronsdon is an independent consultant and angel investor in AI infrastructure and developer tools. He led technical ecosystem at Modular, acquired by Qualcomm in 2026; led developer awareness at Galileo, acquired by Cisco; and ran developer marketing at LinearB, where he was GM of the Dev Interrupted podcast and community. Views expressed by the host and guests are their own.","last_synced_at":"2026-09-10T00:20:07.137048+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/chain-of-thought-ai-agents"},"episode":{"title":"Stop Token Maxxing: Find Where AI Actually Pays Off | Jiaona Zhang","slug":"stop-token-maxxing-find-where-ai-actually-pays-off-jiaona-zhang","published_at":"2026-06-25T10:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/chain-of-thought-ai-agents/stop-token-maxxing-find-where-ai-actually-pays-off-jiaona-zhang","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/chain-of-thought-ai-agents","url":"https://share.transistor.fm/s/81534de0","audio_url":"https://media.transistor.fm/81534de0/fed7bc4f.mp3","summary":"Jiaona Zhang is CPO at Laurel and has built products at Airbnb, Dropbox, Webflow, and Linktree. She explains how to measure where AI actually returns time, why most 'use AI everywhere' mandates push teams to token max, and how Laurel lets anyone from customer success to design ship features end to end. Chain of Thought is hosted by Conor Bronsdon.","meta_description":"Jiaona Zhang is CPO at Laurel and has built products at Airbnb, Dropbox, Webflow, and Linktree. She explains how to measure where AI actually returns time…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3455,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/chain-of-thought-ai-agents/episodes/stop-token-maxxing-find-where-ai-actually-pays-off-jiaona-zhang/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/chain-of-thought-ai-agents/stop-token-maxxing-find-where-ai-actually-pays-off-jiaona-zhang.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}