{"podcast":{"title":"Careers and the Business of Law","slug":"careers-and-the-business-of-law-6403793","podcast_index_feed_id":6403793,"rss_url":"https://feeds.libsyn.com/465618/rss","website_url":"http://sites.libsyn.com/465618/website","image_url":"https://static.libsyn.com/p/assets/2/a/5/c/2a5cc799ec50e9a688c4a68c3ddbc4f2/CBL_art.jpg","author":"David Cowen","episode_count":142,"summary":"Welcome to Careers in The Business of Law with David Cowen, the podcast series designed to elevate and accelerate the careers of legal professionals. David aims to provide insightful and inspiring career stories from industry insiders, law firm leaders, corporate law department executives, and legal technology business leaders. This podcast will provide you with an inside look into the career journeys of some of the most successful and influential leaders in the legal field. You will gain actionable insights into their experiences, challenges, and triumphs through these discussions. Recognizing that the legal profession is constantly changing, David wants to ensure that you have the knowledge and tools necessary to navigate this evolving landscape. David's guests will provide insights on topics such as emerging technologies, legal operations, and leadership strategies, which will help you accelerate your career growth and success. David's goal is to create and inspire a community of legal professionals who are dedicated to learning, growing, and advancing their careers. Whether you are a law student, young professional, or seasoned veteran, this podcast series is for you. Join Dav…","last_synced_at":null,"page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/careers-and-the-business-of-law-6403793"},"episode":{"title":"Confident Curiosity: Oyango Snell on Legal Ops, AI and the Future of CLOC","slug":"confident-curiosity-oyango-snell-on-legal-ops-ai-and-the-future-of-cloc","published_at":"2026-05-25T21:10:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/careers-and-the-business-of-law-6403793/confident-curiosity-oyango-snell-on-legal-ops-ai-and-the-future-of-cloc","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/careers-and-the-business-of-law-6403793","url":"https://48601e5c-fc2d-4099-9281-666ceaf381e8.libsyn.com/confident-curiosity-oyango-snell-on-legal-ops-ai-and-the-future-of-cloc","audio_url":"https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/48601e5c-fc2d-4099-9281-666ceaf381e8/CBL_-_Oyango_snell.mp3?dest-id=3934293","summary":"Hosted by David Cowen | Careers and the Business of Law Fresh off four days at McCormick Place in Chicago, David Cowen sits down with Oyango Snell, President & CEO of CLOC , for a post-CGI debrief. The energy on the floor was unmistakable: this is not the same industry it was twelve months ago. From Second City opening every morning to standing-room-only sessions on AI maturity, CGI 2026 signaled that the legal ops community has moved from anxiety to confident curiosity. WHY THIS MATTERS The legal industry is no longer asking if AI matters. It's asking how to measure it. With budgets flat and demand rising, legal ops professionals are being forced to get strategic. This conversation captures the mood of the market and where the next five years are headed. KEY TAKEAWAYS Attendees came with hands-on experience and real questions. Anxiety is out, confident curiosity is in. Legal ops has moved from chaos to at least ad hoc, if not operational, on the maturity arc. \"Do more with less\" is hogwash. Flat budgets plus rising demand requires strategy, not just effort. AI won't replace jobs. People who leverage AI will replace those who don't. A growing economy means more demand for legal services. The doomsday narrative doesn't hold up. Education is the new currency. CLOC Academy is hitting the road to reach those who can't make it to CGI. Legal ops sits at the intersection of law and technology. That's the superpower. Own it. CGI 2027 is back at the Aria in Las Vegas. Pro tip from David: Thank the speakers. Easiest networking move there is. Pro tip from Oyango: Own your professional stake. Relationships are built through follow-up, not just introductions. 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