{"podcast":{"title":"Cabernet and Pray","slug":"cabernet-and-pray-6576447","podcast_index_feed_id":6576447,"rss_url":"https://app.kajabi.com/podcasts/2147760191/feed","website_url":"https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/podcasts/cabernet-and-pray","image_url":"https://kajabi-storefronts-production.kajabi-cdn.com/kajabi-storefronts-production/file-uploads/site/2147630094/podcasts/bf52c1-eb35-8388-d8db-7d104f8ba383_Cabernet_and_Pray_Podcast.png","author":"Jeremy Jernigan","episode_count":76,"summary":"Cabernet & Pray is a podcast for people who still have questions about Jesus but have complicated feelings about the church and Christianity. Hosted by Jeremy Jernigan (a recovering megachurch pastor), each episode pairs a glass of wine with honest conversations about deconstruction, reconstruction, and what it means to explore faith outside the boundaries of the theological mainstream. If you've ever felt like your doubts disqualified you, or wondered whether there's a version of Christianity that can hold your questions without flinching, then you've found your people.","last_synced_at":"2026-07-02T02:19:15.845867+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cabernet-and-pray-6576447"},"episode":{"title":"The Wild Magic (with Lauren Peiser) | Ep. 75","slug":"the-wild-magic-with-lauren-peiser-ep-75","published_at":"2026-06-17T12:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cabernet-and-pray-6576447/the-wild-magic-with-lauren-peiser-ep-75","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cabernet-and-pray-6576447","url":"https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/podcasts/cabernet-and-pray/episodes/2149217728","audio_url":"https://app.kajabi.com/podcasts/medias/2149217728.mp3","summary":"Lauren Peiser has spent time making wine in Italy, working at a seminary, and writing a Substack that will make you use your imagination. In this episode, she brings a concept called \"wild magic,\" the kind of transformation that can't be packaged into a sermon or a stage talk. She talks about Mary not as the untouched ideal of purity culture but as someone who chose to birth Christ in the dirt, in relationship, in the wild. She talks about Jesus not as the individual savior of white American Christianity but as a guy whose whole resurrection depended on everyone around him. And she makes the case that contamination, the bacteria, the yeast, the mess, the people who ruin your clean theological identity, is exactly what makes anything worth drinking. If your faith reconstruction is still mostly happening in your head, Lauren is here to remind you there's a whole body attached. Watch the episode on video:  https://youtu.be/MRbSfOcRenw   ----------------- My new book, The Edge of the Inside , is now available. You can get a signed copy or in whatever form you prefer: https://www.edgeoftheinside.com/ Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/online-community Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide . It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone.   https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in   ----------------- Lauren's Substack:  https://laurenaltimont.substack.com/  ","meta_description":"Lauren Peiser has spent time making wine in Italy, working at a seminary, and writing a Substack that will make you use your imagination. In this episode,…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":4324,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/cabernet-and-pray-6576447/episodes/the-wild-magic-with-lauren-peiser-ep-75/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cabernet-and-pray-6576447/the-wild-magic-with-lauren-peiser-ep-75.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}