{"podcast":{"title":"Cabernet and Pray","slug":"cabernet-and-pray-6576447","podcast_index_feed_id":6576447,"rss_url":"https://app.kajabi.com/podcasts/2147760191/feed","website_url":"https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/podcasts/cabernet-and-pray","image_url":"https://kajabi-storefronts-production.kajabi-cdn.com/kajabi-storefronts-production/file-uploads/site/2147630094/podcasts/bf52c1-eb35-8388-d8db-7d104f8ba383_Cabernet_and_Pray_Podcast.png","author":"Jeremy Jernigan","episode_count":76,"summary":"Cabernet & Pray is a podcast for people who still have questions about Jesus but have complicated feelings about the church and Christianity. Hosted by Jeremy Jernigan (a recovering megachurch pastor), each episode pairs a glass of wine with honest conversations about deconstruction, reconstruction, and what it means to explore faith outside the boundaries of the theological mainstream. If you've ever felt like your doubts disqualified you, or wondered whether there's a version of Christianity that can hold your questions without flinching, then you've found your people.","last_synced_at":"2026-07-02T02:19:15.845867+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cabernet-and-pray-6576447"},"episode":{"title":"The Courage to Differ Graciously (with Brian McLaren) | Ep. 62","slug":"the-courage-to-differ-graciously-with-brian-mclaren-ep-62","published_at":"2025-12-17T12:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cabernet-and-pray-6576447/the-courage-to-differ-graciously-with-brian-mclaren-ep-62","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cabernet-and-pray-6576447","url":"https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/podcasts/cabernet-and-pray/episodes/2149132925","audio_url":"https://app.kajabi.com/podcasts/medias/2149132925.mp3","summary":"What if the real spiritual crisis isn’t disagreement, but how we disagree? In this episode, we explore why certainty has replaced curiosity and why faith so often becomes brittle instead of beautiful. We see what happens when winning arguments matters more than loving people. This isn’t a call to “be nicer,” but a challenge to examine how fear shapes our theology and fractures our communities—and whether following Jesus should make us better at holding tension, not worse. This conversation invites you to practice a courage the church desperately needs right now: the courage to differ graciously. Watch the episode on video:  https://youtu.be/X7EQxCRjyyM ----------------- Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/patron-sign-ups Trying to make sense of faith? There's something better waiting for you. Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone.   https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in   Links: Brian's website:  https://brianmclaren.net/ Faith After Doubt:  https://amzn.to/4qgymys  ","meta_description":"What if the real spiritual crisis isn’t disagreement, but how we disagree? In this episode, we explore why certainty has replaced curiosity and why faith…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":4200,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/cabernet-and-pray-6576447/episodes/the-courage-to-differ-graciously-with-brian-mclaren-ep-62/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cabernet-and-pray-6576447/the-courage-to-differ-graciously-with-brian-mclaren-ep-62.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}