{"podcast":{"title":"Cabernet and Pray","slug":"cabernet-and-pray-6576447","podcast_index_feed_id":6576447,"rss_url":"https://app.kajabi.com/podcasts/2147760191/feed","website_url":"https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/podcasts/cabernet-and-pray","image_url":"https://kajabi-storefronts-production.kajabi-cdn.com/kajabi-storefronts-production/file-uploads/site/2147630094/podcasts/bf52c1-eb35-8388-d8db-7d104f8ba383_Cabernet_and_Pray_Podcast.png","author":"Jeremy Jernigan","episode_count":76,"summary":"Cabernet & Pray is a podcast for people who still have questions about Jesus but have complicated feelings about the church and Christianity. Hosted by Jeremy Jernigan (a recovering megachurch pastor), each episode pairs a glass of wine with honest conversations about deconstruction, reconstruction, and what it means to explore faith outside the boundaries of the theological mainstream. If you've ever felt like your doubts disqualified you, or wondered whether there's a version of Christianity that can hold your questions without flinching, then you've found your people.","last_synced_at":"2026-07-02T02:19:15.845867+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cabernet-and-pray-6576447"},"episode":{"title":"Finding Beauty in Distinctions (with Bethany Cseh) | Ep. 71","slug":"finding-beauty-in-distinctions-with-bethany-cseh-ep-71","published_at":"2026-04-22T12:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cabernet-and-pray-6576447/finding-beauty-in-distinctions-with-bethany-cseh-ep-71","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cabernet-and-pray-6576447","url":"https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/podcasts/cabernet-and-pray/episodes/2149197292","audio_url":"https://app.kajabi.com/podcasts/medias/2149197292.mp3","summary":"Bethany Cseh is a pastor who spent years standing at a pulpit she wasn't sure she was allowed to occupy, internally justifying each sermon as something other than what it actually was. That tension turned out to be the beginning of a longer, stranger education. In this episode, Bethany joins Jeremy to talk about co-pastoring two completely different churches with her husband, what happened when they tried to merge them into one service, and the counterintuitive theology that emerged from the wreckage: that God is revealed more fully through our distinctions than despite them. They also get into merit badge theology, walking as a spiritual practice, and why John Piper is the last person you want picking out a wine for you. Watch the episode on video:  https://youtu.be/ZpURVmhmfyc   ----------------- My new book, The Edge of the Inside , is now available. You can get a signed copy or in whatever form you prefer: https://www.edgeoftheinside.com/ Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/online-community Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide . It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone.   https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in  ","meta_description":"Bethany Cseh is a pastor who spent years standing at a pulpit she wasn't sure she was allowed to occupy, internally justifying each sermon as something ot…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":5639,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/cabernet-and-pray-6576447/episodes/finding-beauty-in-distinctions-with-bethany-cseh-ep-71/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cabernet-and-pray-6576447/finding-beauty-in-distinctions-with-bethany-cseh-ep-71.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}