{"podcast":{"title":"Cabernet and Pray","slug":"cabernet-and-pray-6576447","podcast_index_feed_id":6576447,"rss_url":"https://app.kajabi.com/podcasts/2147760191/feed","website_url":"https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/podcasts/cabernet-and-pray","image_url":"https://kajabi-storefronts-production.kajabi-cdn.com/kajabi-storefronts-production/file-uploads/site/2147630094/podcasts/bf52c1-eb35-8388-d8db-7d104f8ba383_Cabernet_and_Pray_Podcast.png","author":"Jeremy Jernigan","episode_count":76,"summary":"Cabernet & Pray is a podcast for people who still have questions about Jesus but have complicated feelings about the church and Christianity. Hosted by Jeremy Jernigan (a recovering megachurch pastor), each episode pairs a glass of wine with honest conversations about deconstruction, reconstruction, and what it means to explore faith outside the boundaries of the theological mainstream. If you've ever felt like your doubts disqualified you, or wondered whether there's a version of Christianity that can hold your questions without flinching, then you've found your people.","last_synced_at":"2026-07-02T02:19:15.845867+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cabernet-and-pray-6576447"},"episode":{"title":"Downsizing Evangelicalism (with Michelle Van Loon) | Ep. 55","slug":"downsizing-evangelicalism-with-michelle-van-loon-ep-55","published_at":"2025-09-10T12:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cabernet-and-pray-6576447/downsizing-evangelicalism-with-michelle-van-loon-ep-55","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cabernet-and-pray-6576447","url":"https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/podcasts/cabernet-and-pray/episodes/2149083880","audio_url":"https://app.kajabi.com/podcasts/medias/2149083880.mp3","summary":"What if the shrinking of evangelicalism isn’t a crisis to be feared but an opportunity to rediscover something truer, leaner, and more like Jesus? In this episode, I sit down with author Michelle Van Loon to talk about what’s being lost, what’s worth keeping, and why smaller might actually be better for the future of faith. Grab a glass, pull up a chair, and join us as we explore how downsizing could make room for growth that actually matters. Click here to watch it on video. ----------------- Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/patron-sign-ups Trying to make sense of faith? There's something better waiting for you. Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone.   https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in   Links: Michelle's book Downsizing Michelle's website:  michellevanloon.com   Michelle's Substack:  substack.com/@michellevanloon","meta_description":"What if the shrinking of evangelicalism isn’t a crisis to be feared but an opportunity to rediscover something truer, leaner, and more like Jesus? In this…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3605,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/cabernet-and-pray-6576447/episodes/downsizing-evangelicalism-with-michelle-van-loon-ep-55/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/cabernet-and-pray-6576447/downsizing-evangelicalism-with-michelle-van-loon-ep-55.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}