{"podcast":{"title":"Building Better CMOs and Marketing Leaders","slug":"building-better-cmos-and-marketing-leaders-6393422","podcast_index_feed_id":6393422,"rss_url":"https://feeds.megaphone.fm/buildingbettercmos","website_url":"https://www.mmaglobal.com/","image_url":"https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/dda6df20-f8fc-11ed-b126-cbcfd256c207/image/84a91de7e81e94aedd1942386a62490b.png?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&max-w=3000&max-h=3000&fit=crop&auto=format,compress","author":"MMA Global / LightningPod","episode_count":57,"summary":"Marketing leaders are facing constant new challenges. If you want to stay ahead of the curve, listen to Building Better CMOs, from the nonprofit thinktank MMA Global. It's a podcast about the future of marketing and how marketers can get smarter & stronger, hosted by MMA CEO Greg Stuart. Greg interviews some of the wisest and most successful CMOs in the business, who share crucial insights about what their industry gets wrong, how to get to the C-Suite, and how to unlock the true power of marketing. You'll gain a deeper understanding of the evolving purpose of marketing leaders, and learn actionable strategies to overcome obstacles. Produced by LightningPod.fm. For transcripts and more, visit bettercmos.com","last_synced_at":null,"page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/building-better-cmos-and-marketing-leaders-6393422"},"episode":{"title":"Micky Onvural, CMO of TIAA: The Power of Vulnerability","slug":"micky-onvural-cmo-of-tiaa-the-power-of-vulnerability","published_at":"2025-03-05T08:30:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/building-better-cmos-and-marketing-leaders-6393422/micky-onvural-cmo-of-tiaa-the-power-of-vulnerability","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/building-better-cmos-and-marketing-leaders-6393422","url":"https://bettercmos.com/mickyonvural-transcript","audio_url":"https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/NOTDI3392072831.mp3?updated=1741310042","summary":"Watch this interview on YouTube Full transcript — \"As marketers, we can't just respond to the bottom line,\" says TIAA CMO Micky Onvural. \"We can't just say, 'Well give me a million dollars and I will give you this many customers or this many clicks, and if I do the right kind of mathematics, I'll give you this kind of lifetime value that's going to deliver you this to the bottom line.' I think you actually have to connect further upstream with the CFO.\" Today on Building Better CMOs, Micky explains what connecting further upstream looks like in practice, the retirement crisis in America, and the importance of vulnerability, humility, and curiosity in leadership. She and MMA Global CEO Greg Stuart also discuss the importance of customer experience, Micky's years as the CEO of Bonobos, and how returning to the CMO role compares. Follow Building Better CMOs in your podcast app Rate & review the podcast Links: Micky's LinkedIn Greg's LinkedIn This episode was produced and edited by Eric Johnson from LightningPod.fm. Note: \"Retirement check\" refers to the annuity income received in retirement. Guarantees of fixed monthly payments are only associated with TIAA's fixed annuities.","meta_description":"Watch this interview on YouTube Full transcript — \"As marketers, we can't just respond to the bottom line,\" says TIAA CMO Micky Onvural. \"We can't just sa…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3684,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/building-better-cmos-and-marketing-leaders-6393422/episodes/micky-onvural-cmo-of-tiaa-the-power-of-vulnerability/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/building-better-cmos-and-marketing-leaders-6393422/micky-onvural-cmo-of-tiaa-the-power-of-vulnerability.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}