{"podcast":{"title":"Building Better CMOs and Marketing Leaders","slug":"building-better-cmos-and-marketing-leaders-6393422","podcast_index_feed_id":6393422,"rss_url":"https://feeds.megaphone.fm/buildingbettercmos","website_url":"https://www.mmaglobal.com/","image_url":"https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/dda6df20-f8fc-11ed-b126-cbcfd256c207/image/84a91de7e81e94aedd1942386a62490b.png?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&max-w=3000&max-h=3000&fit=crop&auto=format,compress","author":"MMA Global / LightningPod","episode_count":57,"summary":"Marketing leaders are facing constant new challenges. If you want to stay ahead of the curve, listen to Building Better CMOs, from the nonprofit thinktank MMA Global. It's a podcast about the future of marketing and how marketers can get smarter & stronger, hosted by MMA CEO Greg Stuart. Greg interviews some of the wisest and most successful CMOs in the business, who share crucial insights about what their industry gets wrong, how to get to the C-Suite, and how to unlock the true power of marketing. You'll gain a deeper understanding of the evolving purpose of marketing leaders, and learn actionable strategies to overcome obstacles. Produced by LightningPod.fm. For transcripts and more, visit bettercmos.com","last_synced_at":null,"page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/building-better-cmos-and-marketing-leaders-6393422"},"episode":{"title":"Following People & Finding Purpose with Snap CMO Grace Kao","slug":"following-people-finding-purpose-with-snap-cmo-grace-kao","published_at":"2026-01-21T08:30:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/building-better-cmos-and-marketing-leaders-6393422/following-people-finding-purpose-with-snap-cmo-grace-kao","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/building-better-cmos-and-marketing-leaders-6393422","url":"https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/NOTDI7864280247.mp3?updated=1768873017","audio_url":"https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/NOTDI7864280247.mp3?updated=1768873017","summary":"Grace Kao has served as a marketing leader at some of the most influential consumer tech companies of our time, including Yahoo, Pandora, Instagram, Spotify, and now Snap, where she is the CMO. But one of the most important things for her career growth has been following people, rather than job titles. \"You want to go to a company that you believe in the company values, but believing in the people and understand that the people have the same values as you do, that has always been important to me,\" she says. Today on Building Better CMOs, Grace and Marketing + Media Alliance CEO Greg Stuart talk about the power of marketing to mindsets instead of demographics, and the advice from her mom that still guides her today: don't be afraid to fail. They also discuss what marketers can learn from Gen Z's entrepreneurial creativity, the upcoming relaunch of Snap's AR glasses Specs, and CEO Evan Spiegel's \"shots to goal\" philosophy. ⁠⁠⁠⁠Full transcript⁠⁠⁠⁠ This episode was produced and edited by Eric Johnson from ⁠⁠⁠⁠LightningPod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Follow Building Better CMOs in your podcast app⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Rate and review the podcast⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Grace's LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Greg's LinkedIn","meta_description":"Grace Kao has served as a marketing leader at some of the most influential consumer tech companies of our time, including Yahoo, Pandora, Instagram, Spoti…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3161,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/building-better-cmos-and-marketing-leaders-6393422/episodes/following-people-finding-purpose-with-snap-cmo-grace-kao/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/building-better-cmos-and-marketing-leaders-6393422/following-people-finding-purpose-with-snap-cmo-grace-kao.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}