{"podcast":{"title":"Big Technology Podcast","slug":"big-technology-podcast-197340","podcast_index_feed_id":197340,"rss_url":"https://feeds.megaphone.fm/LI3617121267","website_url":"https://www.bigtechnology.com/","image_url":"https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/e70f9594-937b-11ec-bfe0-2b4c46de3cc3/image/ac86ab8de3e6d78450970f49c51a117b.png?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&max-w=3000&max-h=3000&fit=crop&auto=format,compress","author":"Alex Kantrowitz","episode_count":559,"summary":"The Big Technology Podcast takes you behind the scenes in the tech world featuring interviews with plugged-in insiders and outside agitators. Alex Kantrowitz, a Silicon Valley journalist who's interviewed the world's top tech CEOs — from Mark Zuckerberg to Larry Ellison — is the host.","last_synced_at":"2026-09-02T20:18:57.620942+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/big-technology-podcast-197340"},"episode":{"title":"How China Caught U.S. AI — With Grace Shao","slug":"how-china-caught-u-s-ai-with-grace-shao","published_at":"2026-07-29T10:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/big-technology-podcast-197340/how-china-caught-u-s-ai-with-grace-shao","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/big-technology-podcast-197340","url":"https://pdst.fm/e/tracking.swap.fm/track/t7yC0rGPUqahTF4et8YD/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/AMPP6643892082.mp3","audio_url":"https://pdst.fm/e/tracking.swap.fm/track/t7yC0rGPUqahTF4et8YD/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/AMPP6643892082.mp3","summary":"Grace Shao is the author of AI Proem. Shao joins Big Technology Podcast to discuss how Chinese AI labs have caught their American rivals despite operating with less advanced computing infrastructure. Tune in to hear how talent, specialization, open-source collaboration, and fierce competition helped models like Kimi K3 approach the U.S. frontier, and what that means for OpenAI, Anthropic, and the business of selling intelligence. We also cover model distillation, China’s compute constraints, the growing importance of AI products, why top researchers are returning to China, and the country’s emerging robotics advantage. Hit play for a clear-eyed look at whether the United States can preserve its AI lead. --- Enjoying Big Technology Podcast? Please rate us five stars ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ in your podcast app of choice. Watch the full documentary here: https://www.gravitee.io/ai-agent-documentary Want a discount for Big Technology on Substack + Discord? Here’s 25% off for the first year: https://www.bigtechnology.com/subscribe?coupon=0843016b Stop online threats before they become real-world attacks. Visit ⁠ironwall.com/BIGTECHNOLOGY⁠ and request a free Risk Assessment to see exactly how exposed your executives are Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices","meta_description":"Grace Shao is the author of AI Proem. Shao joins Big Technology Podcast to discuss how Chinese AI labs have caught their American rivals despite operating…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3673,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/big-technology-podcast-197340/episodes/how-china-caught-u-s-ai-with-grace-shao/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/big-technology-podcast-197340/how-china-caught-u-s-ai-with-grace-shao.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}