{"podcast":{"title":"Between Two Beers Podcast","slug":"between-two-beers-podcast-792534","podcast_index_feed_id":792534,"rss_url":"https://feeds.acast.com/public/shows/6775cb68499663105e17ae63","website_url":"https://feeds.acast.com/public/shows/between-two-beers-podcast","image_url":"https://assets.pippa.io/shows/6775cb68499663105e17ae63/1777152440915-52582add-fc4f-4175-92b4-2dbb8b4a56da.jpeg","author":"Steven Holloway","episode_count":400,"summary":"Good questions. Great guests. Few beers... Steve and Seamus like asking good questions. And they love good answers. After over 20 years of friendship, they bought a microphone and started a podcast, allowing them to sit with, and learn from, the most interesting people they can access. From Kiwi legend Marc Ellis, to media personalities Jeremy Wells and Paddy Gower, Rugby coach extraordinaire Wayne Smith, sexologist Morgan Penn, and Olympian Dame Lisa Carrington... Between Two Beers has produced countless hours of incredible stories, career highs, lows and moments of raw vulnerability. All from the One NZ Studio. Acast Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.","last_synced_at":null,"page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/between-two-beers-podcast-792534"},"episode":{"title":"Darren Shand: 20 Years Inside the All Blacks' Golden Era","slug":"darren-shand-20-years-inside-the-all-blacks-golden-era","published_at":"2026-05-24T06:00:00+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/between-two-beers-podcast-792534/darren-shand-20-years-inside-the-all-blacks-golden-era","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/between-two-beers-podcast-792534","url":"https://shows.acast.com/between-two-beers-podcast/episodes/6a1222b2f177743623ae070f","audio_url":"https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/6775cb68499663105e17ae63/e/6a1222b2f177743623ae070f/media.mp3","summary":"For 20 years, Darren Shand was the most powerful person in All Blacks rugby that nobody knew about. As Team Manager across four Rugby World Cups - including the back-to-back title wins of 2011 and 2015 - Shand sat above the coaches, managed the operation, and helped build the cultural architecture of the most successful international rugby team in history. He worked alongside Sir Graham Henry, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Wayne Smith, Richie McCaw, Dan Carter, and some of the greatest players to ever pull on the black jersey. He talks about the 2004 wake-up call that forced the entire culture to change. The private battles with depression. The end of his marriage. The moment a former Crusaders teammate came to his house to tell him he was fired. He shares stories that have never been made public - including a stunning incident before the 2015 Rugby World Cup final that nearly ended his campaign entirely. And he gives his most honest assessment yet of what happened to the All Blacks after he left - and why Ian Foster never really had a chance. Between Two Beers is proudly brought to you by One New Zealand. We believe that One NZ connects New Zealand, while Between Two Beers connects New Zealanders. And together, we are NZ's most trusted connection platform. Steve and Seamus are proud to be dressed by Barkers Clothing. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.","meta_description":"For 20 years, Darren Shand was the most powerful person in All Blacks rugby that nobody knew about. As Team Manager across four Rugby World Cups - includi…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":9934,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/between-two-beers-podcast-792534/episodes/darren-shand-20-years-inside-the-all-blacks-golden-era/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/between-two-beers-podcast-792534/darren-shand-20-years-inside-the-all-blacks-golden-era.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}