{"podcast":{"title":"AI at Work","slug":"ai-at-work-7563679","podcast_index_feed_id":7563679,"rss_url":"https://api.riverside.fm/hosting/AWt85fIR.rss","website_url":"https://ascendlabs.ai/podcast","image_url":"https://hosting-media.riverside.com/media/podcasts/e3d1894d-98fc-4002-980b-87551e9b63b9/logos/51346e29-43ee-4db4-9765-75b58f27b8ab.png","author":"Matt Graham, Kevin Williams","episode_count":41,"summary":"AI at Work is hosted by Matt Graham (CEO of Rapid Dev) and Kevin Williams (CEO of Ascend Labs). Each week delivers actionable insights on how artificial intelligence is reshaping jobs today, and how you can use it to advance your career. We unpack real-world tools, automation workflows, and emerging roles so you can stop chasing hype and start using AI to get things done. Whether you’re an individual contributor, team lead, or business owner, we show you what to build, what to ask for, and what to look for in a workplace moving at machine-speed.","last_synced_at":"2026-09-11T20:20:42.761760+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/ai-at-work-7563679"},"episode":{"title":"When Models Lie and You're Still Paying for the Tokens","slug":"when-models-lie-and-you-re-still-paying-for-the-tokens","published_at":"2026-06-03T18:12:41+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/ai-at-work-7563679/when-models-lie-and-you-re-still-paying-for-the-tokens","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/ai-at-work-7563679","url":"https://api.riverside.com/hosting-analytics/media/8e25e70812f562901b09202924cd19f9afe55b862b83f73031d77bd39943c874/eyJlcGlzb2RlSWQiOiJiZGQwYTFkNi0xOTBkLTQ0NWMtYjQ0Mi02N2E0MjEyNjNiZTUiLCJwb2RjYXN0SWQiOiJlM2QxODk0ZC05OGZjLTQwMDItOTgwYi04NzU1MWU5YjYzYjkiLCJhY2NvdW50SWQiOiI2MDdjNWM5MmU4YjZhMjQ3ZDYzZTNjZTUiLCJwYXRoIjoibWVkaWEvY2xpcHMvNmEyMDY0NmMwNmNkM2FkMGEzM2JkNTc0L2FpLWF0LXdvcmstY29tcG9zZXItMjAyNi02LTNfXzE5LTI5LTE2Lm1wMyJ9.mp3","audio_url":"https://api.riverside.com/hosting-analytics/media/8e25e70812f562901b09202924cd19f9afe55b862b83f73031d77bd39943c874/eyJlcGlzb2RlSWQiOiJiZGQwYTFkNi0xOTBkLTQ0NWMtYjQ0Mi02N2E0MjEyNjNiZTUiLCJwb2RjYXN0SWQiOiJlM2QxODk0ZC05OGZjLTQwMDItOTgwYi04NzU1MWU5YjYzYjkiLCJhY2NvdW50SWQiOiI2MDdjNWM5MmU4YjZhMjQ3ZDYzZTNjZTUiLCJwYXRoIjoibWVkaWEvY2xpcHMvNmEyMDY0NmMwNmNkM2FkMGEzM2JkNTc0L2FpLWF0LXdvcmstY29tcG9zZXItMjAyNi02LTNfXzE5LTI5LTE2Lm1wMyJ9.mp3","summary":"When AI models hallucinate confidently while burning through your token budget, you need more than better prompts you need better processes. In this episode, Kevin and Eli explore the reality of working with AI that lies while you pay, the evolution from saved prompts to voice-triggered workflows, and why validation loops matter more than model updates. From enterprise governance requirements to tech stack consolidation, this conversation cuts through the hype to reveal what actually works when deploying AI in real business contexts. Key topics covered: ✅ Why model reliability requires systematic validation, not perfect AI ✅ The shift from skills to snippets and voice-triggered workflows ✅ Enterprise governance requirements when litigation risk is involved ✅ Tech stack consolidation as AI tools mature beyond experimentation ✅ Cost economics driving procurement strategy changes ✅ Building quality control loops that catch hallucinations before implementation TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 — Intro and Sora commercial viability discussion 05:30 — Video generation landscape: Veo, SeeDance, Higgs Field 15:00 — Model quality regression and hallucination experiences 25:00 — Skills vs snippets: workflow evolution deep dive 35:00 — Enterprise governance and validation requirements 45:00 — Tech stack consolidation and platform comparisons 53:00 — Eli's transition and mental health focus Show Notes & Links: https://www.spark6.com/podcast Submit listener questions: elijah@spark6.com kevin@ascendlabs.ai Check out Kevin’s stuff: Ascend Labs: https://ascendlabs.ai/ Follow Kevin on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinguywilliams/ Check out Eli’s Stuff: SPARK6 Agency: https://www.spark6.com/ Sign up for FREE AI Framework Friday Newsletter: https://www.spark6.com/newsletter Follow Elijah o…","meta_description":"When AI models hallucinate confidently while burning through your token budget, you need more than better prompts you need better processes. In this episo…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":3350,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/ai-at-work-7563679/episodes/when-models-lie-and-you-re-still-paying-for-the-tokens/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/ai-at-work-7563679/when-models-lie-and-you-re-still-paying-for-the-tokens.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}