{"podcast":{"title":"21 in 21","slug":"21-in-21-7274084","podcast_index_feed_id":7274084,"rss_url":"https://feeds.fountain.fm/225QxxaXdKbEEjEXSha3","website_url":"https://presidiobitcoin.substack.com/s/21-in-21","image_url":"https://feeds.fountain.fm/225QxxaXdKbEEjEXSha3/files/COVER_ART---DEFAULT---4727f3af-abd6-40e2-a3a8-34e875d55259.jpg","author":"Hosted by Haley Berkoe","episode_count":35,"summary":"Haley Berkoe asks some of the biggest names in bitcoin and Silicon Valley 21 questions in 21 minutes, from the personalities you know and love to tech’s unsung heroes. A new episode drops when someone stops by Presidio Bitcoin. Reach out if you are or will be in the area and are interested in being on the show. presidiobitcoin.substack.com","last_synced_at":null,"page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/21-in-21-7274084"},"episode":{"title":"21 in 21: Matthew Pines","slug":"21-in-21-matthew-pines","published_at":"2025-08-19T11:00:27+00:00","page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/21-in-21-7274084/21-in-21-matthew-pines","show_page_url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/21-in-21-7274084","url":"https://feeds.fountain.fm/225QxxaXdKbEEjEXSha3/items/XT1inT4yxPg8enIyOv56/files/AUDIO---DEFAULT---452562b6-3c39-4e0f-8ce5-38f99f773293.mp3","audio_url":"https://feeds.fountain.fm/225QxxaXdKbEEjEXSha3/items/XT1inT4yxPg8enIyOv56/files/AUDIO---DEFAULT---452562b6-3c39-4e0f-8ce5-38f99f773293.mp3","summary":"Haley Berkoe talks with Matthew Pines, Executive Director of the Bitcoin Policy Institute, about bitcoin’s growing role in U.S. policy. They cover building a bitcoin community in DC, how policymakers are treating bitcoin as a strategic asset, the risks of quantum computing and AI, and why this moment feels like one of “high agency and high leverage” for bitcoiners. TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Introduction to Matt Pines and his path into bitcoin 02:10 The bitcoin scene in Washington DC 03:47 Shifting policy conversations and bitcoin as a strategic asset 05:12 Advice for bitcoiners engaging policymakers 07:06 What a bitcoin standard world could look like 09:08 Quantum computing risks and government response 13:18 Book recommendation: Global Discord by Paul Tucker 15:09 The intersection of bitcoin and AI 18:02 Dream bitcoin projects still missing in the market 19:42 Spicy take: China vs. U.S. bitcoin holdings 20:30 Optimism for bitcoin’s future and ETF adoption 23:24 Final takeaway: the power of agency 25:27 How to follow Matt and the Bitcoin Policy Institute FOLLOW: Matthew Pines: https://x.com/matthew_pines Bitcoin Policy Institute: https://x.com/btcpolicyorg Haley Berkoe: https://x.com/HBerkoe Presidio Bitcoin: https://x.com/PresidioBitcoin LINKS: Insights from the Quantum Bitcoin Summit https://presidiobitcoin.substack.com/p/insights-from-the-quantum-bitcoin Bitcoin Plushie: https://www.uncute.com/collections/everything-else/products/here-comes-bitcoin WATCH THE SHOW: https://www.youtube.com/@PresidioBitcoin","meta_description":"Haley Berkoe talks with Matthew Pines, Executive Director of the Bitcoin Policy Institute, about bitcoin’s growing role in U.S. policy. They cover buildin…","key_points":[],"chapters":[],"topics":[],"duration_seconds":1571,"processing_state":"not_requested","actions":[{"name":"request_transcript","method":"POST","url":"https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/21-in-21-7274084/episodes/21-in-21-matthew-pines/transcription-requests","description":"Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode."},{"name":"read_markdown","method":"GET","url":"https://stenobird.com/podcast/21-in-21-7274084/21-in-21-matthew-pines.md","description":"Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource."}]}}