# The energy transition debate we need to have

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Podcast: [Zero: The Climate Race](https://stenobird.com/podcast/zero-the-climate-race-5454543)
Published: 2026-06-18T04:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

The key to tackling climate change is moving away from burning fossil fuels to using renewable energy. But in his book More and More and More , French historian Jean-Baptiste Fressoz argues that the world has never actually managed a successful energy transition before and current plans are unrealistic. Many have taken his writing to mean that stopping global warming is impossible, however, he tells Akshat Rathi this week on Zero, his view is actually quite different. Explore further: Jean-Baptiste’s book, More and More and More: https://www.penguin.co.uk/authors/306358/jean-baptiste-fressoz Zero is a production of Bloomberg Green . Our producer is Oscar Boyd. Special thanks to Sommer Saadi, Mohsis Andam, Sharon Chen and Laura Millan. Thoughts or suggestions? Email us at zeropod@bloomberg.net. For more coverage of climate change and solutions, visit https://www.bloomberg.com/green . See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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