# With Lu Wilson, Teach was the Hardest Demo, Dev Rel?, Return to Office, Windsurf Acquisition and more MCP

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Podcast: [You've Been a Bad Agent](https://stenobird.com/podcast/you-ve-been-a-bad-agent-7334728)
Published: 2025-05-22T22:39:09+00:00
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## Resource

The evolution of tldraw from a simple whiteboard to an AI-integrated canvas. The discussion explores the intersection of developer relations, SDK usability, and the emerging Model Context Protocol (MCP) landscape.

## Highlights
- Main idea: The shift from simple canvas tools to AI-integrated environments that can respond to and control the board
- Practical takeaway: Providing LLM-friendly documentation (like llms.txt and markdown) is a high-impact, low-effort win for developer adoption
- Failure mode: Over-complicating the agentic loop by forcing users to manage individual MCP servers instead of using a centralized router
- Main idea: Developer Relations is a distinct discipline focused on equipping users to succeed with complex SDKs, rather than just marketing
- Practical takeaway: Using physical office spaces and in-person demos remains a powerful way to build community and showcase technical breakthroughs

## Topics

tldraw, AI Agents, Model Context Protocol, Developer Relations, SDK Development, LLM Documentation, Software Engineering, Product Strategy

## Chapters
- 1:00 — Office Culture and Growth: A look at the expanding team, the importance of physical workspaces, and the energy of in-person tech meetups.
- 12:00 — tldraw Evolution: Discussing the transition from a stateless whiteboard to a product with user accounts, saved boards, and team features.
- 17:00 — The Power of AI Demos: Analyzing why certain AI-driven canvas features go viral and the impact of interactive, responsive environments.
- 28:00 — The Developer Experience Gap: The challenge of making complex SDKs usable for developers who aren't AI specialists by providing structured, model-readable docs.
- 33:00 — Defining DevRel in the AI Era: Why DevRel must exist outside of marketing and engineering to bridge the gap between powerful tools and successful user implementation.
- 1:05:00 — The Future of MCP and Agents: Exploring the Model Context Protocol, the potential for 'MCP routers,' and the complexity of managing sub-agents.

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