# You Think You’re Sovereign Until You Go Out To The Real World | Ep. 132

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Podcast: [You're The Voice | by Efrat Fenigson](https://stenobird.com/podcast/you-re-the-voice-by-efrat-fenigson-6437286)
Published: 2026-04-15T20:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Today I’m sharing something different: I was interviewed by Mike Peterson on the Bitcoin Beach podcast while I was in El Salvador in Nov. 2025. Mike wrote: “What if the real trap is not working hard, but spending your best years building someone else’s empire earning money you do not even trust? Mike Peterson sat down with Efrat during “Bitcoin Historico” for a direct conversation about the fiat system, corporate life, and why “growth for growth’s sake” eventually stops making sense. She explains how years of being great at driving revenue for other people pushed me toward a bigger question: who is this all really for? Before Bitcoin, Efrat was deep in the tech world, first as a video games developer in Australia, then rising to executive roles. She shares about being a woman in tech on male-dominated teams, her career reality and the moment she realized work was not the same as purpose. She also shared more personal stuff: what happened when she spoke out during Covid, how backlash followed, and why free speech became a line she wouldn’t cross, even if it cost her socially and professionally. Bitcoin enters this conversation through one sharp question that changed everything, “can they touch it?” Efrat describes why self-custody, sound money, and censorship resistance felt like freedom tech more than a finance solution." → Please like, comment, share & follow — to help me beat the suppressing algo's. Thank you! – SPONSORS – → Join me at Camp Nakamoto, a family-friendly Bitcoin retreat on a private island, June 18–21. Code EFRAT gives you 15% off: https://campnakamoto.com → Access liquidity without selling your Bitcoin with Ledn — learn more at https://ledn.io/Efrat → Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get…

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