# Removing the "Fiction" from Science Fiction

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Podcast: [*“Yesterday, I Went to Mars ♡”*](https://stenobird.com/podcast/yesterday-i-went-to-mars-7106663)
Published: 2026-06-13T11:50:00+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/makotowillolympusmons/episodes/Removing-the-Fiction-from-Science-Fiction-e3kp1uf
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## Resource

This episode looks at SpaceX — not through the lens of its current scale, but through the earlier atmosphere when almost no one believed it would amount to anything. It returns to a session at an International Astronautical Congress around 2006, where a nearly empty room listened to Elon Musk speak, at a time when space startups were seen as companies that formed and collapsed in cycles. Two figures sit at the center of the reflection: Musk, who by his own account genuinely believed the odds of success were under ten percent, and Gwynne Shotwell, who joined in 2002 when there were roughly a dozen employees and no rockets had flown. Her reasoning, as she has described it, wasn't about Mars or grand visions — it was more specific: this team might actually be able to build rockets cheaply. There's also the moment in 2008 when, after three consecutive launch failures and nearly depleted funding, the decision was made to attempt a fourth. That launch succeeded, and the NASA contract that followed shortly after is what kept the company alive. A line from a later speech anchors the closing section: that the whole point of SpaceX was to remove the "fiction" from science fiction — to make the future that people had read about in books actually real. A quiet look at what it means to take the long-shot bet seriously, and at the particular kind of people who were already on board when the room was still empty.

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