# With Liberty and Justice for Some Ep. 65 – Just what is the 25th Amendment with Norman Ornstein

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Published: 2026-05-06T18:16:24+00:00
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## Resource

As we watch Trump’s increasingly erratic behavior, more and more of us are calling on his cabinet to invoke the 25th Amendment. But what does that really mean? On this week’s episode of With Liberty and Justice for Some, we answer that question and more with one of our nation’s top political scientists, Norman Ornstein.

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