# Episode 51 with Dean Baker

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Podcast: [With Liberty and Justice for Some](https://stenobird.com/podcast/with-liberty-and-justice-for-some-7203009)
Published: 2026-01-28T16:52:29+00:00
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Duration seconds: 2285

## Resource

Last year, I asked Treasury Secretary Bessent a simple question: who pays tariffs? He was unable to answer. For today’s podcast, we get down to the bottom of it. (Spoiler alert: it ends up being you and me) .

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