# Can Finding the “Right Firm” Change Everything? A Candid Conversation with Jennifer Gillman

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Podcast: [WILL - Women Interested in Leaving Law](https://stenobird.com/podcast/will-women-interested-in-leaving-law-7109219)
Published: 2026-01-16T05:30:00+00:00
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## Resource

Do you feel successful on paper but internally frustrated, exhausted, or unfulfilled? Do you wonder whether the problem is the law itself , or whether you’re in the right environment? Do you feel anxious, wondering whether you will ever feel truly satisfied in your career? You’re far from alone. In this episode, I’m joined by Jennifer Gillman; a former practicing attorney, turned legal matchmaker, and founder of Gillman Strategic Group. Jennifer helps rainmakers find the right law firm fit and re-claim fulfillment without leaving the profession. She shares her own unexpected transition out of practice and offers a candid look at what actually creates autonomy, leverage, and satisfaction for lawyers, especially women. Listen in and learn: Why success and fulfillment are not the same. How building relationships and clients creates real power, flexibility, and boundaries. Why women consistently undervalue themselves and how that mindset limits compensation and choice. This conversation is an honest, nuanced look at what it takes to be a happy lawyer , whether that means staying put and changing the rules, moving firms strategically, or simply seeing new possibilities you didn’t know existed. About Jennifer She is the founder of Gillman Strategic Group, where she helps rainmakers find their exact right, perfect-fit firm and law firm owners navigate strategic mergers. After earning her J.D. from NYU School of Law and B.A. from Brandeis University, Jen practiced law for 12 years before transitioning to legal recruiting. Unlike traditional recruiters who find lawyers for firms, Jen finds firms for lawyers. She helps partners identify what they truly need to be fulfilled, whether that's better resources, growth opportunities, or work-life balance, and then matches them with fi…

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