# The AI End Game: Is Your Chatbot Conscious? with David Chalmers

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Podcast: [Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/why-is-this-happening-the-chris-hayes-podcast-67709)
Published: 2026-06-02T09:00:00+00:00
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David Chalmers, one of the most preeminent philosophers and researchers in cognitive science, argues that nothing prevents machines from becoming truly conscious. Chalmers, who has studied the mind for decades, points out that there is a real possibility of AI creating a next stage of intelligence that is even capable of redesigning itself. He joins WITHpod to discuss what consciousness is and the possibility of AI systems becoming fully conscious.

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