# The AI End Game: Is AI Alive? with Michael Pollan

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Podcast: [Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/why-is-this-happening-the-chris-hayes-podcast-67709)
Published: 2026-06-16T09:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Scientists, philosophers, and artists all agree: consciousness is a unique feeling. And at the same time, one of the world’s most confounding and complex questions remains: what exactly is this feeling? Is it awareness? Is it thoughts? Feelings? Michael Pollan joins WITHpod to share what he’s learned about the force that animates all of us.

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