# Justice or Power? John Kiriakou On When The Government Comes For You

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Podcast: [When You Know You Know](https://stenobird.com/podcast/when-you-know-you-know-6665059)
Published: 2026-07-26T21:58:39+00:00
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## Resource

Michael Cohen sits down with former CIA officer and whistleblower John Kiriakou for a candid conversation about the power of the federal government, the realities of the U.S. justice system, and the personal toll of being targeted by prosecutors. Drawing from their own experiences, they discuss whistleblowing, indictment, reputational damage, and the lasting impact on families, while examining how the legal system can be used to pressure those who challenge powerful institutions. They also focus on the way in which the government crushes its targets.

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