# Episode #1 Pilot: Demolishing Thinking Classrooms

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Podcast: [When Will They Learn?](https://stenobird.com/podcast/when-will-they-learn-7689880)
Published: 2026-02-05T05:43:46+00:00
Episode link: https://whenwilltheylearn.substack.com/p/episode-1-when-will-they-learn
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## Resource

In this episode, Greg and Caiti respond to recent discussions on The Balance podcast between Dr Catlin Tucker and Dr Pete Liljedahl about ‘Building Thinking Classrooms’. They examine how key claims do or don’t align with evidence from cognitive science. They then unpack a recent opinion piece by John Cole for the Australian Association for Research in Education’s blog, asking who gets to decide what counts as ‘best practice’ in teaching. Have something you want us to discuss in a future episode? Or want to find us? Get in touch Greg Ashman Greg is a school leader at Ballarat Clarendon College and holds a PhD in instructional design from UNSW. Substack – Filling the Pail LinkedIn – Greg Ashman X/Twitter – @greg_ashman If you’re interested in working with Greg at Ballarat Clarendon College, please see here for open roles and expressions of interest . Caiti Wade Caiti is a leader of pedagogy at a boys’ secondary school in Brisbane and is doing her EdD in applications of cognitive load theory to secondary mathematics. Substack – The Disruptive Educator LinkedIn – Caiti Wade X/Twitter – @caiti_wade Episode resources * Building Thinking Classrooms: The Balance Podcast by Dr Catlin Tucker with Dr Peter Liljedahl * ‘Setting the Standards: Who chooses ‘best practice’’ by John Cole Acknowledgement of country We would like to acknowledge The Traditional Custodians of the lands on which we record this podcast, the lands of the Wadawurrung People, and those of the Jagera and Turrbal Peoples, and pay our respects to Elders past, present and emerging. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit whenwilltheylearn.substack.com

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