# Leadership: The Real Magnet - What the F* is Happening to the Office? With Ray Milora

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Podcast: [What The F* is Happening to The Office?](https://stenobird.com/podcast/what-the-f-is-happening-to-the-office-7601316)
Published: 2025-11-27T16:34:35+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/workdesign/episodes/Leadership-The-Real-Magnet---What-the-F-is-Happening-to-the-Office--With-Ray-Milora-e3bncfe
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## Resource

Is the real workplace problem space—or is it leadership? Host Bob Fox sits down with Ray Milora, Senior Director of Workplace Design & Construction at Cisco, to unpack the critical elements that actually drive people back to the office. Ray shares an inspiring, candid blueprint: it’s not excessive amenities, but leadership presence, clear purpose, and friction-free hybrid tech that truly matter. This episode reveals how Cisco is using a single, unified tech stack to eliminate common meeting friction, effectively making the office a powerful business tool for talent attraction and closing sales. Learn how Ray is leveraging AI for workplace strategy to convert design conversations into visuals in hours, not months, radically accelerating workplace design. We challenge outdated metrics and explore how to build portfolio flexibility while right-sizing, proving that activated spaces and intentional culture are the real keys to the future of work.

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