# Cleo Abram: What Could Go Right?

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Podcast: [What Now? with Trevor Noah](https://stenobird.com/podcast/what-now-with-trevor-noah-6654482)
Published: 2026-02-05T05:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Emmy-nominated video journalist Cleo Abram joins Trevor and Eugene to talk about Huge If True, her hit YouTube series that takes an optimistic approach to science and emerging technology. The three explore how asking “what could go right?” might be the most powerful tool we have for moving humanity forward, why optimism isn’t naïve but necessary, and how the physics of curling (the most divisive Olympic sport) can be used as an example of pessimism keeping us from imagining a better world.

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