# Spirits, Stories & the Supreme Secret of Sorcery! with Wren Collier & Joshua Cutchin

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Podcast: [What Magic Is This?](https://stenobird.com/podcast/what-magic-is-this-555811)
Published: 2025-10-22T18:30:00+00:00
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## Resource

One of the oddest and least talked about aspects of the Paranormal and the Supernatural is something called fictional incursions. Simply put, this is when certain ideas, characters or details of narrative stories seems to in some way come alive, not only to their creators but to those who are familiar with the stories. As crazy as it sounds, in some way stories are alive and show themselves to us in certain situations. There is no other group of people that this occurs to more in Western Culture than Magicians and Occultists. Here to pull apart and examine this extremely odd phenomenon are Magician Wren Collier and the author of a new book which delves into this occurrence, Joshua Cutchin!

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