# Episode 61 - The Radical Joy of Black Creativity

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Podcast: [We Are Out of Office](https://stenobird.com/podcast/we-are-out-of-office-7089990)
Published: 2026-05-09T20:15:00+00:00
Episode link: https://we-are-out-of-office.captivate.fm
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## Resource

In this week’s episode of We Are Out of Office , your co-hosts Veteran Television Executive Producer Nikki T and Bestselling Author Jayne Allen clock in with a conversation that stretches from beauty hacks to billion-dollar mindsets, from cultural moments to personal reckonings. It’s a layered, funny, and deeply reflective episode about what it means to build, love, create, and protect your peace in a world that keeps shifting beneath your feet. They move effortlessly between joy and reality—celebrating Black brilliance, interrogating relationships, naming economic uncertainty, and reminding us that your next move might just be your most powerful one. I See You, Girl This week’s love is rooted in Black creativity and cultural excellence . Jayne gives flowers to the Black women who shaped the Met Gala narrative , highlighting the full-circle moment of Beyoncé’s leadership and the long arc from wearable art to high fashion dominance. It’s about honoring the lineage—the quiet rooms where culture was built before the spotlight ever arrived. Nikki brings us to the future with Kamira Johnson , a young finalist in Google’s national “Doodle for Google” competition. Her piece, centered on Black hair as power , transforms identity into art—literally shaping the word “Google” through curls and connection. A crown that grows from us. This is legacy in motion—past, present, and becoming. What We’re On Right Now Jayne is deep in her Summer Writing Kickstart era , responding to layoffs, uncertainty, and shifting economies with something radical: ownership . She breaks down how writing a book became her entry point into entrepreneurship—and how she’s now teaching others to do the same. Key idea: Your experience is not ordinary—it’s intellectual property. She reframes books as more tha…

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